Speculation: Toronto Offer Sheet Post Opening Day
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LeapOnOver
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It does not "hurt" their rebuild? It effectively cancels their rebuild. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but you should be prepared for the roster you have now with the added offer sheeted player to be the one you will have for the next four years (minus the players you can't afford to resign because of the money tied up). Maybe someone can offer sheet Matthews in a few years when you are up against the cap and you can get those four first rounders back, lol.
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I doubt a first is made available given the stage in the rebuild, projected finish of the team, and the lottery odds.
A #10 pick turns into #1 pretty easily.
A #10 pick turns into #1 pretty easily.
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Very very unlikely.
For offer sheets, the following pick compensations must be made according to the dollar value of the contracts:
$5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First, Second and Third Round Picks - Toronto is not eligible
$7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - 2 First Round Picks, 1 Second and 1 Third Round Pick - again Toronto is not eligible
$9,388,080 or greater - 4 First Round Picks - Toronto is eligible but they'd be crazy to offer that much money and give up 4 first rounders.
See this for more detail http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets
For offer sheets, the following pick compensations must be made according to the dollar value of the contracts:
$5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First, Second and Third Round Picks - Toronto is not eligible
$7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - 2 First Round Picks, 1 Second and 1 Third Round Pick - again Toronto is not eligible
$9,388,080 or greater - 4 First Round Picks - Toronto is eligible but they'd be crazy to offer that much money and give up 4 first rounders.
See this for more detail http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets
Canada4Gold
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I don't think Toronto can because their 2nd round pick in in question. They have 3 but they're trading the middle one to Anaheim in the Andersen deal. That could still be Toronto's pick in theory but I don't think they'd be able to use it in an offer sheet. Also don't have their own 3rd either as they have to give it or a better one to Detroit
this years draft is nothing special
and the top 3 draft positions are all lottery based. they had a 20% chance to draft 1st overall as the worst team in the league.
Lindholm/Kucherov vs a top 5 pick in a weak draft
You'd have to be lucky to get a Lindholm/Kucherov with those odds
Makar Goes Fast
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Why is Toronto not eligible to offer sheet someone between 5.6m and 7.5m. Did they trade their picks?
This is a great year to do an offer sheet. The draft is very meh and Toronto's farm system is stacked. They can afford to not draft in the first 3 rounds this year. I'd rather have Lindholm than any player in this draft. Toronto's D would also immediately be solifidied: Lindholm, Zaitsev, Reilly, Gardiner is a solid top 4. They have plenty of prospects and enough defensive prospects as well.
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While it goes against the fiber of my being to say it, the Leafs should be tanking a second year. While it's no guarantee of future success, they've got a lot of picks. With a first this year, and two seconds (they lose one of the three to Anaheim), they have the chance to even further stockpile their system. Continue to fill the coffers. Stay the course.
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but if toronto ends up bottom 5 for the next year or 2 it turns into a very bad deal, think phil kessel just via offersheet
Toronto's biggest need is RD and they should be a possible landing spot for Liljegren
They should definitely not make an offer that will cost them 4 1st rounders. That would be ******** even it meant Kucherov or Lindholm.
If they could reacquire their 3rd rounder they should put an offer sheet. A 1st and 3rd or 1st, 2nd and 3rd is not a big deal in this draft and Toronto already has a deep prospect pool. They need to continue to add elite talent like Kucherov and Lindholm.
Ideally Toronto gets Fowler for cheap with their 3rd rounder back and maybe still has enough cap space to go after Kuchreov by putting an offer sheet that only costs them a 1st and 3rd or an offer sheet costing them 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
Kucherov - Matthews - Nylander
Marner - Kadri - JVR
xxx-xxxxx-xxxx
xxx-xxxx-xxx
Fowler - Zaitsev
Reilly - XXXX
Gardiner - XXXX
Anderson
XXXX
That is a solid foundation.
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You need to have all the required picks to be eligible so just not having the 3rd makes the Leafs ineligible.
go4hockey
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So you think the Ducks would trade that pick back to you knowing it would line up the possably of an offer sheet on one of their own players? Not very likely.
They would trade their 3rd round pick back if it helped them have enough space to sign Lindholm. Toronto could acquire Fowler and their 3rd. Lindholm would sign with Anaheim but Toronto could still go after another RFA.
False. See below.
Their 3rd went to Detroit for Babcock.
They can't use their 2nd because it might go to Anaheim (from the Andersen trade) if either Ottawa or San Jose does worse than the Leafs next year.
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Exactly. This thread is about something that cannot happen, unless the Leafs were to make an offer (and it got accepted) that required the compensation to be 4 first round picks, and that ain't happening.
They would only have to get the second back they put in that rule that the picks for coaches and stuff gets pushed a year in case of an offersheet
McFlyingV
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The thing with LTIR though is that if they did offer sheet someone, they could potentially get killed on bonus overages. All 3 of Nylander, Marner and Zaitsev could hit their 850k bonuses, and Matthews has a shot at hitting his 2.85M bonuses.
I haven't looked close enough at their cap, but if they brought in another big contract it would likely mean that they take the full hit on any bonuses earned. Do they really want to be hit with potentially 5.4M (850k x 3 + 2.85M) in cap overage next year?
I haven't looked close enough at their cap, but if they brought in another big contract it would likely mean that they take the full hit on any bonuses earned. Do they really want to be hit with potentially 5.4M (850k x 3 + 2.85M) in cap overage next year?
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The perceived strength (or lack thereof) of the draft is irrelevant in my opinion because cap space is and will continue to be a premium in today's NHL.
Move picks at the draft when their value is maximized for a player you can sign to fair value instead of giving up multiple picks that have unknown value for a player signed above their value.
Toronto is not competing this year anyway, so I see no need to get a high end player now on a big contract for a big price when talented RFAs will continue to be squeezed out by their current team's cap situations for sometimes as little as a top 75 pick and a second tier prospect in the offseason or at the draft.
Move picks at the draft when their value is maximized for a player you can sign to fair value instead of giving up multiple picks that have unknown value for a player signed above their value.
Toronto is not competing this year anyway, so I see no need to get a high end player now on a big contract for a big price when talented RFAs will continue to be squeezed out by their current team's cap situations for sometimes as little as a top 75 pick and a second tier prospect in the offseason or at the draft.
