Proposal: Toronto - Montreal

[Halla]

bozak is on pace for 60 points, hardly trash bud. dd otoh is out 6 to 8 weeks. no to the original deal.

you gotta look at who you are responding to.
can't expect an unbiased opinion from someone who thought JVR is worth nothing more than a late 1st/early 2nd

 

[Prominence]

I would do bozak for descharnais+ 2018 2nd rounder (washington) and conditional 2018 montreal 2nd rounder should montreal make conference finals. turns to 3rd if they dont. I think a player of Beaulieu's calibre can be internally found in leafs system (dermott, valiev).

 

[Raymoondo]

I would do bozak for descharnais+ 2018 2nd rounder (washington) and conditional 2018 montreal 2nd rounder should montreal make conference finals. turns to 3rd if they dont. I think a player of Beaulieu's calibre can be internally found in leafs system (dermott, valiev).

You would do Bozak for cap dump + two late seconds? I'm pretty sure we can get the two seconds without the cap dump.

 

[Liferleafer]

I'm pretty sure Toronto would jump at opportunity to add a young dman like beaulieu for a centre who makes lots of dough and is not part of rebuild. habs don't do this, bozak not what team needs. Desharnais is cap dump gone after this year

Umm...you realize that Bozak is centering the Leafs most productive line...right? And lots of dough?

I am not saying the Habs should do it, but the Leafs also aren't "jumping" to take this deal either.

 

[pezcore]

Bozak is a decent 2/3C and would probably be an upgrade on Plekanec if everyone would be healthy. I just think the Habs are looking for a little more size, grit and offensive awareness for a 2C. That being said I'm pretty sure that Toronto would not step up to the plate to help the Habs with the injury woes unless of a major overpayment and I dont think Bergevin is willing to sacrifice future for 2 months.

Lets see how the team reacts. 6 to 8 weeks is 17 to 25 games. Habs win close to 50% and we're still comfortably sitting in a playoff spot. No need to panic, let's wait and see.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I'm pretty sure Toronto would jump at opportunity to add a young dman like beaulieu for a centre who makes lots of dough and is not part of rebuild. habs don't do this, bozak not what team needs. Desharnais is cap dump gone after this year

I don't think the Leafs would jump at the opportunity to get Beaulieu. Like I said, he's a fine player but even with our horrible defense , currently he would be our 3rd best LHD with Nielsen and Dermott knocking at the door.
And he wouldn't get a protection spot.
He's worth more to the Habs than he is to the Leafs.

 

[LeafGrief]

Bozak is a decent 2/3C and would probably be an upgrade on Plekanec if everyone would be healthy. I just think the Habs are looking for a little more size, grit and offensive awareness for a 2C. That being said I'm pretty sure that Toronto would not step up to the plate to help the Habs with the injury woes unless of a major overpayment and I dont think Bergevin is willing to sacrifice future for 2 months.

Lets see how the team reacts. 6 to 8 weeks is 17 to 25 games. Habs win close to 50% and we're still comfortably sitting in a playoff spot. No need to panic, let's wait and see.

Before you guys go running off the the ARI threads, Bozak has twice as many points as Hanzal. Significantly better PPG too. Bozak is not gritty and not a defensive specialist, but he's great offensively for the $'s on his contract and he's not going to cost you premium assets like Sergachev. A 60 point 2C costs more than you want to pay.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Before you guys go running off the the ARI threads, Bozak has twice as many points as Hanzal. Significantly better PPG too. Bozak is not gritty and not a defensive specialist, but he's great offensively for the $'s on his contract and he's not going to cost you premium assets like Sergachev. A 60 point 2C costs more than you want to pay.

THIS!
All the threads on the main board want everything for nothing but the reality is, you're only going to get the quality back that you're willing to pay for.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Bozak is certainly not a terrible player.

Beaulieu on the other hand, is a much better player than he projects. His only problem is the coach. Bergevin won't move a young defenseman.

No to the proposed trade at this time.

 

[ACC1224]

I know that these 2 are bitter rivals, but a mutually beneficial trade could be accomplished despite this (see Phaneuf to Ottawa)

Bozak to Montreal for DD + Beaulieu
Who Adds?

Bozak gives the Habs a replacement for Galchenyuk in the short term, and a decent second line centre to put between him and Plekanec when Galchenyuk Returns. Also rids them of DD, which everyone seems to want to do.

For the leafs it opens up a spot for Nylander to move up in the lineup at centre, and gives them a solid bottom pair defence man with the potential to move up in the lineup with good coaching, something similar to the position Connor Carrick is in now. Assuming DD would get Michalekd/Laich'd to the Marlies for the rest of the year.

I think the Salaries are nearly equal as well, with DD+Beaulieu adding up to 4.5M and Bozak coming in at 4.25M

Habs add. Rival GM's judge the player, not the shirt he wears. Bozak has much more value than that.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Habs add. Rival GM's judge the player, not the shirt he wears. Bozak has much more value than that.

Actually Montreal subtracts. Bozak stays where he is and so does Beaulieu, no reason for the Canadiens to do this.

Find another team for a defenseman/Bozak trade, it should be easy.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Actually Montreal subtracts. Bozak stays where he is and so does Beaulieu, no reason for the Canadiens to do this.

Find another team for a defenseman/Bozak trade, it should be easy.

I think both fan bases mutually agree that the pieces coming to them aren't very interesting

 

[LeafGrief]

Actually Montreal subtracts. Bozak stays where he is and so does Beaulieu, no reason for the Canadiens to do this.

Find another team for a defenseman/Bozak trade, it should be easy.

We wouldn't be protecting Beaulieu ahead of Carrick, so we're not particularly interested in him either. We'd really prefer draft picks

 

[Atomos2]

Dunno. Switched after the 1st period.

 

[sansabri]

Nice. Got a vid of Staal's GWG?

 

[Liferleafer]

Nice. Got a vid of Staal's GWG?

Hey everybody...we are judging players on ONE play now....so here's one that proves both Markov and Price are worthless.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

At least its not another JVR trade thread LOL.

 

[ACC1224]

Actually Montreal subtracts. Bozak stays where he is and so does Beaulieu, no reason for the Canadiens to do this.

Find another team for a defenseman/Bozak trade, it should be easy.

They'd be looking for picks mostly. Agreed though, it should be easy.

 

[NiL8r87]

A solid #2 center who has a history of enabling offensive production from his linemates who's also great on the dot for 2 years at 4.2 million to a team desperately in need of an obtainable Center with Galchenyuk and Desharnais out, and Habs fans are calling him "junk" and a "cap dump" lol, unreal.

Juulsen + a 2nd.

 

[Drydenwasthebest]

Bozak is not going to get Beaulieu. He is also just an expensive bandaid, not an actual solution. DD is not worth anything to the Leafs unless it is as cap relief to get out of Bozak's contract. Beaulieu is a solid young defenceman who has been caught up in the idiocy known as Therrien. The man could not help young talent develop if his life depended upon it. It is why he lost his job in Pittsburgh, and why he should have never been hired for Montreal.

Montreal easily walks away from this stupidity. As far as someone saying Bozak is better than Plekanec, get a clue. Bozak having a great start to a season does not suddenly mean he is better than Plekanec. Plekanec actually knows how to play this little thing called defensive hockey while scoring over 20 goals 7 times, over 50 points 6 times, 2 seasons of 60+ and a 70 point season. F******g Bozak has one 20 goal season, never reached 50 points, and wouldn't even know how to spell the word Selke, never mind be considered for the trophy. If healthy, a DD for Bozak deal would be equal. Nothing else added. Comparing Bozak to Plekanec shows a distinct lack of hockey knowledge at every level. Someone is really dumb enough to think Bozak would be better than Plekanec with our imbecile of a coach who refuses to let offensive players play offence until they learn to play defence first? Man, Bozak would be watching the games from the rafters, more often than not, under Therrien.

Horrible OP for the Habs.

 

[KingTux]

Oh boy

 

[Liferleafer]

Bozak is not going to get Beaulieu. He is also just an expensive bandaid, not an actual solution. DD is not worth anything to the Leafs unless it is as cap relief to get out of Bozak's contract. Beaulieu is a solid young defenceman who has been caught up in the idiocy known as Therrien. The man could not help young talent develop if his life depended upon it. It is why he lost his job in Pittsburgh, and why he should have never been hired for Montreal.

Montreal easily walks away from this stupidity. As far as someone saying Bozak is better than Plekanec, get a clue. Bozak having a great start to a season does not suddenly mean he is better than Plekanec. Plekanec actually knows how to play this little thing called defensive hockey while scoring over 20 goals 7 times, over 50 points 6 times, 2 seasons of 60+ and a 70 point season. F******g Bozak has one 20 goal season, never reached 50 points, and wouldn't even know how to spell the word Selke, never mind be considered for the trophy. If healthy, a DD for Bozak deal would be equal. Nothing else added. Comparing Bozak to Plekanec shows a distinct lack of hockey knowledge at every level. Someone is really dumb enough to think Bozak would be better than Plekanec with our imbecile of a coach who refuses to let offensive players play offence until they learn to play defence first? Man, Bozak would be watching the games from the rafters, more often than not, under Therrien.

Horrible OP for the Habs.

Leafs don't need to "get out of Bozak's contract". He has 18 points and is centering our most productive line. We also have a crap ton of cap space next season, so while i understand Habs fans having no interest, the Leafs DON"T HAVE TO deal Bozak. And even if DD was healthy...lol at a straight up deal.

 

[sansabri]

A solid #2 center who has a history of enabling offensive production from his linemates who's also great on the dot for 2 years at 4.2 million to a team desperately in need of an obtainable Center with Galchenyuk and Desharnais out, and Habs fans are calling him "junk" and a "cap dump" lol, unreal.

Juulsen + a 2nd.

Take out Juulsen and you're closer to Bozak's value. Still not interested, though.

 

[ACC1224]

Not sure Bozak would be a good fit there. He needs to play with an elite winger(Kessel/Marner/JVR) to be his most effective.

 

[34]

Beaulieu is hot garbage and DD is even worse.

Montreal is nothing but a 1 player team. The team is junk without Price.

Bozak would be the #1 C in Montreal.