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shaner8989 · 2024-10-07T11:52:39-0400

Signing Lorentz is moronic if it means McMann is out. Just pure stupidity. We have another bozo in Reaves who can’t play hockey. So now we have 2 morons who can’t play and sit out our 4th best goal scorer last season?

Horrible

Roo · 2024-10-07T11:52:59-0400

Let's not cry for McMann. Someone has to sit. Guys are going to have to compete for ice time. This is a good thing.

ACC1224 · 2024-10-07T11:53:30-0400

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Does it? he missed 3 months, AND game 7, there were flashes of spectacular play there always has been, talent has never been a question.

But I don't think he played enough to earn anything

You're welcome to think and not even like it that but that's how it works in the league.

Roo · 2024-10-07T11:53:48-0400

DarkKnight said:
Big opportunity for Timmins, let’s see if his defensive physicality has improved.

It would be great to finally see him play consistently for some extended time. Hopefully he can stay healthy. He's got all the tools.

HamiltonNHL · 2024-10-07T11:56:22-0400

ACC1224 said:
It'll be interesting to see who the 20 dressed will be.

Definitely.

OVO16 said:
McMann should not be sitting

Most definitely.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 · 2024-10-07T11:56:46-0400

hamzarocks said:
WE dont have a 2C caliber player on the team

You can try tavares there.instead but you still need to run Nylander and Marner at wings with him in that case, as playing only 1 with tavares will not be good enough as we saw last year especially vs bruins in R1

Regular season is for forming a winning roster and making winning habits/getting chemistry for the players.

We need to go either:

91-88-16
or
88-91-16

Whichever we go with, we need to stick to it for the season, and get that line great chemistry so they can dominate for the playoffs.

Knies - Matthews - Robertson should be a good 1st line at least comparable to 2018-2019 Johnsson - Matthews - Kapanen line we saw (likely better as 2025 matthews is better than 2019 matthews by far)

Tavares had 65 points last year and that's with Bertuzzi not scoring AT ALL for the first 25% of the season.

This idea that Tavares is not a #2 center isn't just wrong, It's a lie.

DarkKnight · 2024-10-07T11:58:23-0400

I’d prefer to see McMann in as well. Also true, he isn’t a lock NHLer yet, he had 7 goals in 5 games, apart from that he was on a 11 goal season pace. I love what he brings, but he is a 28 year old that’s played 66 NHL games, not some seasoned vet that gets pencilled in. He will get his reps and needs to produce, pretty simple. I didn’t think he had a great preseason either tbh.

OVO16 · 2024-10-07T11:58:28-0400

People mad about reaves, but the most baffling thing is singing Lorentz and keeping Kampf. They are two identical players, but one is far cheaper.

Kampf's 2.4M should;ve been traded to free some some necessary breathing room. Thats what's baffling to me.

DarkKnight · 2024-10-07T11:59:40-0400

Roo said:
It would be great to finally see him play consistently for some extended time. Hopefully he can stay healthy. He's got all the tools.

He just has to be hard on the puck, hopefully Berube is getting through to him there. He’s always had great vision and a tidy first pass, he just struggles on the wall and out front of the net.

ACC1224 · 2024-10-07T12:01:18-0400

DarkKnight said:
I’d prefer to see McMann in as well. Also true, he isn’t a lock NHLer yet, he had 7 goals in 5 games, apart from that he was on a 11 goal season pace. I love what he brings, but he is a 28 year old that’s played 66 NHL games, not some seasoned vet that gets pencilled in. He will get his reps and needs to produce, pretty simple. I didn’t think he had a great preseason either tbh.

Are player stats from pre-season available anywhere?
I don't recall seeing much of McMann in the preseason.

DarkKnight · 2024-10-07T12:03:17-0400

ACC1224 said:
Are player stats from pre-season available anywhere?
I don't recall seeing much of McMann in the preseason.

He played in four games.

13pacheco31 · 2024-10-07T12:04:24-0400

DarkKnight said:
Big opportunity for Timmins, let’s see if his defensive physicality has improved.

Didn't he have a good preseason last year too?

LEAFANFORLIFE23 · 2024-10-07T12:05:44-0400

ACC1224 said:
You're welcome to think and not even like it that but that's how it works in the league.

I mean It's based in logic isn't it? How can you earn anything when you are hurt more then you play? Including game 7.

Like I said Woll is VERY good when he's healthy but there are still MANY questions with Woll.

I hope he is that dude because then he's at 3.6 for 3 more years that's fantastic.

But if he gets hurt long term again he's got to go.

He can't be getting injured all the time.

Martin Skoula · 2024-10-07T12:06:57-0400

OVO16 said:
People mad about reaves, but the most baffling thing is singing Lorentz and keeping Kampf. They are two identical players, but one is far cheaper.

Kampf's 2.4M should;ve been traded to free some some necessary breathing room. Thats what's baffling to me.

Ignoring the cap side of it, Kampf needs 2 clones of himself for his line to work. Giving him a small speedy wing and Reaves just makes a line you can’t deploy in any zone.

DarkKnight · 2024-10-07T12:08:40-0400

13pacheco31 said:
Didn't he have a good preseason last year too?

I can’t recall to be honest, think he did? Sure didn’t start game 1.

Fogelhund · 2024-10-07T12:10:06-0400

DarkKnight said:
He played in four games.

ACC1224 said:
Are player stats from pre-season available anywhere?
I don't recall seeing much of McMann in the preseason.

He really wasn't very inspiring. He wasn't really doing the things that made him valuable depth last year. He was a bit of a dog on the puck, hard working, physical guy, and it didn't seem like he fully had that in him. I don't know if it's due to the injury, or just uninspired preseason play.

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DarkKnight · 2024-10-07T12:11:17-0400

Fogelhund said:
He really wasn't very inspiring. He wasn't really doing the things that made him valuable depth last year. He was a bit of a dog on the puck, hard working, physical guy, and it didn't seem like he fully had that in him. I don't know if it's due to the injury, or just uninspired preseason play.

He didn’t stand out, so I think Berube is rewarding those that did. Bobby will get in, it’s up to him to stick.

hamzarocks · 2024-10-07T12:11:57-0400

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Tavares had 65 points last year and that's with Bertuzzi not scoring AT ALL for the first 25% of the season.

This idea that Tavares is not a #2 center isn't just wrong, It's a lie.

Tavares had 65 pts playing mostly with a 120 pt winger (nylander had 48 in 33 and tavares had 31 in 33 before the lines changed).

Tavares went from a 77 pt pace playing with a top 5 player in the league for that time down to a 59 pt center (34 pts in next 47 games ) which was more around what he was capable of after nylander insane stretch ended

We saw tavares give 2 pts in 7 playoff games playing closer to a 4C then a 2C

The idead that Tavares is capable of being a 2C for contending team is a lie.

He will need 2 90-100 pt wingers driving the line and creating all the offense for him to get 60-70 pts this year and not be useless come playoffs.

We pay nylander and marner 22.5M this year for this reason. They need to drive the corpse of tavares to be a respectable top 6 player

DarkKnight · 2024-10-07T12:14:14-0400

Kampf was only 50.6 percent on draws last year. JT was close to 60 and Matthews 53.4.

Fogelhund · 2024-10-07T12:22:08-0400

DarkKnight said:
Kampf was only 50.6 percent on draws last year. JT was close to 60 and Matthews 53.4.

Kampf's career average is only 51.4% You would think for a defensive specialist, he would be better. It's kind of his bread and butter, something he should be working on a ton, to be closer to 60%.

Jimmy Firecracker · 2024-10-07T12:26:31-0400

With those lines I guess the idea of Nylander being a “hybrid” centre are done.

Fogelhund · 2024-10-07T12:28:48-0400

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Getting ready for opening night.

notDatsyuk · 2024-10-07T12:28:50-0400

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Tavares had 65 points last year and that's with Bertuzzi not scoring AT ALL for the first 25% of the season.

This idea that Tavares is not a #2 center isn't just wrong, It's a lie.

And Nylander scoring at close to a 120 point pace over a similar span. How come Willy can still produce (and even better) but JT can't?

JT is still a marginal 2C, but I think really only because Willy is supporting him.

Kurtz · 2024-10-07T12:29:57-0400

hamzarocks said:
Tavares had 65 pts playing mostly with a 120 pt winger (nylander had 48 in 33 and tavares had 31 in 33 before the lines changed).

Tavares went from a 77 pt pace playing with a top 5 player in the league for that time down to a 59 pt center (34 pts in next 47 games ) which was more around what he was capable of after nylander insane stretch ended

We saw tavares give 2 pts in 7 playoff games playing closer to a 4C then a 2C

The idead that Tavares is capable of being a 2C for contending team is a lie.

He will need 2 90-100 pt wingers driving the line and creating all the offense for him to get 60-70 pts this year and not be useless come playoffs.

We pay nylander and marner 22.5M this year for this reason. They need to drive the corpse of tavares to be a respectable top 6 player

How many points do you think a typical 2nd line centre on a good team puts up? I assure you it's less than 77 or even 59.

Fogelhund · 2024-10-07T12:31:24-0400

It will be fun when JT puts up around 75 points this year, and people still claim he isn't a 2C. Good stuff.

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