Proposal: Toronto - Las Vegas

[Quares27]

I wasn't even aware Manson was good to be honest. Either way he's never gonna become a first pairing guy and there's really no reason to trade 4 assets for yet another depth d-man.

 

[Vipers31]

I wasn't even aware Manson was good to be honest. Either way he's never gonna become a first pairing guy and there's really no reason to trade 4 assets for yet another depth d-man.

He's 25 years old and top-4 in every way. I'm not saying Toronto should want to pay those four assets from the OP, but it's not like Toronto's defensive problems don't extend beyond the top pairing. Actual top-pairing guys rarely ever become available, so waiting for that to address a glaring need is just a way of wasting time.

 

[LV*]

The part where he said he probably wouldn't even do one is ridiculous. Being unwilling to give up a pair is on the very outer line of questionable, but probably not being willing to give up one is completely ridiculous.

You really need to read what you're responding to.

A 2nd is a very good asset imo, I wouldnt trade it for Manson, I'd rather add it to JVR and get a real top 4 D if we can.

Manson looks good in ANA? Yea he'll probably suck here tbh.

 

[Sojourn]

A 2nd is a very good asset imo, I wouldnt trade it for Manson, I'd rather add it to JVR and get a real top 4 D if we can.

Manson looks good in ANA? Yea he'll probably suck here tbh.

A 2nd is not a very good asset. It's a good asset, sure, but you'd be lucky to get a top 4 quality defenseman in the 2nd round. You need to look at what 2nd round picks are actually moved for.

You're either overvaluing potential, or undervaluing Manson.

Whether you would move it for Manson or not is irrelevant though. The chances that Manson goes for just a 2nd round pick is zero. Yes, zero. It's ridiculous to suggest a young top 4 defenseman is worth less than that.

 

[LV*]

A 2nd is not a very good asset. It's a good asset, sure, but you'd be lucky to get a top 4 quality defenseman in the 2nd round. You need to look at what 2nd round picks are actually moved for.

You're either overvaluing potential, or undervaluing Manson.

Whether you would move it for Manson or not is irrelevant though. The chances that Manson goes for just a 2nd round pick is zero. Yes, zero. It's ridiculous to suggest a young top 4 defenseman is worth less than that.

So keep your young top four dman, I remember in the other threads Ducks fans were saying he's better than Rielly.

Leafs have 0 need or desire for Josh Manson. Glorified Roman Polak?

 

[Sojourn]

So keep your young top four dman, I remember in the other threads Ducks fans were saying he's better than Rielly.

Leafs have 0 need or desire for Josh Manson. Glorified Roman Polak?

This thread wasn't started by an Anaheim fan. We will keep our young top 4 defenseman.

Considering you suggested Fowler is a lesser version of Gardiner, I have to wonder how much you see of other teams. There are other teams, with good players on them. In case you didn't realize. As for needing Manson, they absolutely do. That blue line isn't very good, and is contributing to one of the highest goals against in the league. The idea that Manson wouldn't improve it is absurd. They just won't be getting him.

 

[Vipers31]

So keep your young top four dman, I remember in the other threads Ducks fans were saying he's better than Rielly.

Link? Otherwise I'll believe those were a figment of your imagination.

Leafs have 0 need or desire for Josh Manson. Glorified Roman Polak?

No, a much better, more-dimensional player than Polak. The Leafs have every need for him. Thinking they don't with the way they actually play defense is beyond delusional.

 

[Sojourn]

Link? Otherwise I'll believe those were a figment of your imagination.


No, a much better, more-dimensional player than Polak. The Leafs have every need for him. Thinking they don't with the way they actually play defense is beyond delusional.

Just to provide some context to this argument, Anaheim is missing one of their best defensemen, if not their best defenseman, and they've given up 12 fewer goals. In 12 total games played. That is an ugly difference in goals allowed, for so small a number of games played.

No need for Manson indeed.

 

[LV*]

Link? Otherwise I'll believe those were a figment of your imagination.


No, a much better, more-dimensional player than Polak. The Leafs have every need for him. Thinking they don't with the way they actually play defense is beyond delusional.

Nah, it was said.

Just to provide some context to this argument, Anaheim is missing one of their best defensemen, if not their best defenseman, and they've given up 12 fewer goals. In 12 total games played. That is an ugly difference in goals allowed, for so small a number of games played.

No need for Manson indeed.

Wow a playoff team allows less goals than a lottery team wow! You guys are GREAT!

Congrats bud, we dont really care. Keep your dime a dozen Dman and we'll look at other options.

 

[Vipers31]

Nah, it was said.

Manson being better than Rielly? Doubt it.

Congrats bud, we dont really care. Keep your dime a dozen Dman and we'll look at other options.

Try speaking for yourself, speaking for the Leafs fanbase sure doesn't work for you. If you think he's dime a dozen, that says more about how far you have to go with your own group.

 

[LV*]

Manson being better than Rielly? Doubt it.


Try speaking for yourself, speaking for the Leafs fanbase sure doesn't work for you. If you think he's dime a dozen, that says more about how far you have to go with your own group.

Was said in response to Gardiner being better than Fowler, which he is.

Manson is an effective bottom pairing Dman, not the top four you guys are trying to pawn him off as.

 

[dracom]

Was said in response to Gardiner being better than Fowler, which he is.

Manson is an effective bottom pairing Dman, not the top four you guys are trying to pawn him off as.

Except that he's been playing in our top 4 for us and has the fancy stats to back up his top 4 quality (some fans of a certain team said he was carrying Lindholm even lol). Just because he's a tough player doesn't mean he's an immediate bottom pairing guy.

 

[Vipers31]

Was said in response to Gardiner being better than Fowler, which he is.

Ah, that one. I guess it's slightly less delusional than thinking Manson > Rielly, but Fowler is rather easily better than Gardiner. Not really tough to spot for anyone that's looking beyond stat sheets.

Manson is an effective bottom pairing Dman, not the top four you guys are trying to pawn him off as.

He has been more than effective at being more than that for a while. We don't need to pawn him off as anything.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So keep your young top four dman, I remember in the other threads Ducks fans were saying he's better than Rielly.

Leafs have 0 need or desire for Josh Manson. Glorified Roman Polak?

I don't know what you base your assessment on but it sure isn't from watching the Ducks. Manson is exactly what your blueline lacks, and what our's would lack if we didnt have him. You're honestly embarrassing yourself by suggesting the Leafs couldn't use him.

 

[liquiduck]

Isn't this the same story we heard this off-season? We're still waiting for Fowler to be sold for pennies on the dollar.

Still waiting on that Lindholm offer sheet too.

GM's around the league pay, because they will all want one of them. The last thing some GM wants is to see another team buy a player like Vatanen or Fowler for cheap, because it means they missed out. This whole expectation that all the GM's are going to try to screw Anaheim is countered by each GM's desire to improve their team.

Freddy wasn't going to get a 1st either. We had to move him, had no leverage. yadda yadda

 

[Sojourn]

Was said in response to Gardiner being better than Fowler, which he is.

Manson is an effective bottom pairing Dman, not the top four you guys are trying to pawn him off as.

How would you even know, since you clearly don't know a thing about him.

You need to make up your mind here, kiddo. Either Manson is in the top 4 of a playoff team, or he's not. Which is it? Because you can't dismiss his top 4 role in Anaheim because it's a playoff team in the very same breath that you're calling him a bottom pairing defenseman. Those two statements don't work.

 

[Sojourn]

Wow a playoff team allows less goals than a lottery team wow! You guys are GREAT!

Congrats bud, we dont really care. Keep your dime a dozen Dman and we'll look at other options.

I think the point went over your head here. Are you too busy putting your foot in your mouth to read? If Toronto is a lottery team, how in the world could they not use a defenseman like Manson? Are you trying to contradict yourself at every turn? Because you're doing a spectacular job.

 

[Ducks in a row]

A 2nd is a very good asset imo, I wouldnt trade it for Manson, I'd rather add it to JVR and get a real top 4 D if we can.

Manson looks good in ANA? Yea he'll probably suck here tbh.

A 2nd is a nice pick but it isn't so great. Manson is a better asset then a 2nd round pick and is worth more. Only way can understand you not trading a 2nd round pick is because of expansion draft otherwise you would be crazy not to trade a 2nd for Manson. Trading JVR and Manson after the draft would be better then JVR and a 2nd round pick having much better chance at bringing in a true top 4 defenseman but even then with JVR contract being up soon good luck getting a true top 4 defenseman for JVR +

So keep your young top four dman, I remember in the other threads Ducks fans were saying he's better than Rielly.

Leafs have 0 need or desire for Josh Manson. Glorified Roman Polak?

Manson is 25 Polak is 30. Manson is signed for another season under a million and is still RFA when his contract is up Polak makes 2.25 million this year then is a UFA. Manson is better then Polak is.

Wow a playoff team allows less goals than a lottery team wow! You guys are GREAT!

Congrats bud, we dont really care. Keep your dime a dozen Dman and we'll look at other options.

We have been without Lindholm this season it is questionable if we will make the playoffs this season and without Lindholm it would be even more questionable.

Was said in response to Gardiner being better than Fowler, which he is.

Manson is an effective bottom pairing Dman, not the top four you guys are trying to pawn him off as.

Fowler is better then Gardiner especially this season.

Manson has been a good support defenseman playing along side Lindholm or Fowler which has been one of our top 2 defense pairs. His overall mins isn't top 4 but that is because the lack of power play time.

 

[MR4]

Cause not all 30 teams have 3 good defensemen, so if you could pick up a guy like lindholm vatanen or fowler why wouldn't you, I can think of plenty of teams that don't have 3 dmen worth keeping over vats or fowler. Team mangers likely wouldn't be looking at it as helping Anaheim out, but more likely seeing it as a way to improve their team, I doubt they care what Anaheim situation looks like if they can get a good top 4 dmen.


Bet youd never guess but Toronto is one of them. Also despres could very well not come back, and we have other pieces to get goal scoring... more or less we need a 2nd/3rd line winger to play with rakell and vermette... fowler is much higher valued then that.

Anyway ill let you continue talking out your ass about Anaheim because you have been right all off season... oh wait

We'll keep one of Rielly/Gardiner/Zaitsev & the cost of Fowler/Vatanen before trading for them, thanks.

And the leverage of a player not playing due to cap space is less than the leverage of "trade him to me for this or else you lose him for nothing" before the expansion draft, for the people talking about how fans have talked about leverage before referencing the Ducks.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Nah, it was said.



Wow a playoff team allows less goals than a lottery team wow! You guys are GREAT!

Congrats bud, we dont really care. Keep your dime a dozen Dman and we'll look at other options.

There is a reason you guys are a lottery team and we are a playoff team.

But it must be because

Rielly > Lindholm
Gardnir > Fowler
Manson => Polak



have fun at your draft party this year I hope you guys get a good top 5 pick!

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We'll keep one of Rielly/Gardiner/Zaitsev & the cost of Fowler/Vatanen before trading for them, thanks.

And the leverage of a player not playing due to cap space is less than the leverage of "trade him to me for this or else you lose him for nothing" before the expansion draft, for the people talking about how fans have talked about leverage before referencing the Ducks.

Cept leaf fans have talked about the ducks situation sense getzlaf and perry were free agents, and have been wrong every time.... ducks will manage and if we do happen to lose Manson in the expansion draft

aw shucks well have to play Larsson Theodore or Montour life is tough as an Anaheim defender

I just wish leaf fans that don't want to pay the price for good players would stop making new threads for a ducks player every week.