Toronto FC: Toronto FC/Canada Soccer Discussion Thread - 2023 Edition

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Bjindaho

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Yeeesh....


It also should be noted that the team Nelsen took over had Earnshaw and Osorio as their top 2 goal scorers (with Osorio being by far the best midfielder the team had during his reign despite not being anywhere near the player he is today).

Bob is only 14 games away from being 2nd in games coached despite being handed the best situation of any manager in team history and getting virtually nothing from it.
 

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Yeeesh....




Yikes, stastically Armas was horrible, but when you give it a context that, 1st he never coached a game in Toronto, secondly he had no DPs available and one of those two wins was against a top Mexican club in CL, it looks less bad lol.

That being said, I'd be very surprised if Toronto wins against Montreal tomorrow however you never know. This team without Osorio is chaotic but it could go either horribly wrong or beyond everyone's expectations, no in betweens if I were to bet.
 

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Toronto FC has handed four supporters a permanent ban in the wake of ugly scenes in the stands at Tuesday's Canadian Championship loss to CF Montreal.

All four have been "immediately and permanently banned" from all MLSE facilities and cannot apply for reinstatement in the future.

It marks the first time the Major League Soccer club has resorted to permanent bans. In the past, offenders have been able to apply for reinstatement after a year.

TFC said more people could face sanctions, given the investigation is ongoing and preliminary findings showed "multiple fans" had violated the stadium's code of conduct.

All four fans banned had Toronto FC ticket accounts with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment.


"It's disappointing," Toronto president Bill Manning said in an interview. "We take this seriously. We hold keeping a safe environment in our stadium as our highest priority. The visiting Montreal fans should be able to come to our stadium and enjoy the game even if they're rooting for the opposition. And we expect that from them when we go to Montreal.

"These type of violations of what we call the code of conduct in our venues, it can't be tolerated."

In response to Tuesday's incidents, CF Montreal has banned visiting Toronto fans from Saturday's MLS rematch at Saputo Stadium, closing the visiting supporters’ section.
 
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That being said, I'd be very surprised if Toronto wins against Montreal tomorrow however you never know. This team without Osorio is chaotic but it could go either horribly wrong or beyond everyone's expectations, no in betweens if I were to bet.
I got a bad feeling they will be pumped tomorrow. The one bright side is if it will leads to a sacking, although I won't get my hopes up.
 
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I got a bad feeling they will be pumped tomorrow. The one bright side is if it will leads to a sacking, although I won't get my hopes up.

I turned off the game after the 40th but I saw the pitiful backline, midfield + red card for JMR lets hope Bill Manning doesn't use the whole 'a lot of starters were injured and we only lost by 2 goals' on Monday:laugh:. cf Montreal isn't LAFC.


Get someone like Gattuso as coach (he's been interested before), keep Laryea for at least until end of the season, get another midfielder (if Busquets rumors are true then great) and you'll forget the disastrous start of the year.


The earlier the better.
 
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This team will bounce back. If he continues to suck, you find a team for Insigne this summer , Galatasaray perhaps, you have 2 open DP spots. You use one on a DM (Busquets) . He's linked with the team already.


Release Diomande and try to get a DP CF, Belotti again or Luis Muriel. let JMR play Winger where he belongs with Sapong switching from LW/CF. The luxury of having CJ is he has experience and can play anywhere upfront.


Get Giovinco as backup until the end of the season as Vazquez seems done.
 

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Hey look, another former player thriving in a new environment.



Yeah not a fan of shipping Mac away but Mabika's been solid.


Loved Lorenzo's attitude, he was class and acted like a true captain all game long.

Kosi Thompson was stellar in his new CDM position. Looking super promising..

Berna's left foot game is becoming very predictable. I think he needs to play in the middle. Laryea makes him look okay.
 

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Ujiri has to find a way to replace Nick Nurse, who was central to that fabulous championship run of 2019. Ujiri was enormous too in that victory. He traded for Kawhi Leonard when that seemed impossible. He traded at the deadline for Marc Gasol. If he doesn’t make those two moves, there is no run, no celebration. And if he doesn’t hire Nurse, the same is true.

Now he has a middle-of-the-pack NBA roster at a time when the Miami Heat will likely play for the championship. The Heat won 44 games this season. The Raptors won 41. One team seems close, the other so very far away. But this needs to be the summer of Ujiri: Hire the right coach, make the right trades, and make the Raptors significant again.

Toronto FC is so far away from that. This is Manning’s biggest mess. He is president of the soccer team and the CFL’s Argonauts. The Argos are coming off an unlikely Grey Cup win in a city that seems to shrug at the successes of its oldest franchise. The Argos’ problems are almost unsolvable. But with TFC, it’s about a product that is borderline terrible.

What’s more discouraging about TFC is that they have the second-worst record in MLS while spending the most on payroll. Cincinnati has the best record in the East. It pays its players $12 million. Second-place Nashville spends $5 million. TFC tops the league with $26 million in salaries.

That all adds up to two wins this season, none on the road, and the 28th-best record in a league of 29.


The TFC championship in 2017 and the Raptors title of 2019 seem so very long ago. Not as long ago as the Leafs’ last Stanley Cup, but that’s another story, always.

MLSE, with all its money and all its might, is facing challenging days for its team presidents.

Huge decisions await. Uncertainty is now the standard of the day.
 

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Ujiri has to find a way to replace Nick Nurse, who was central to that fabulous championship run of 2019. Ujiri was enormous too in that victory. He traded for Kawhi Leonard when that seemed impossible. He traded at the deadline for Marc Gasol. If he doesn’t make those two moves, there is no run, no celebration. And if he doesn’t hire Nurse, the same is true.

Now he has a middle-of-the-pack NBA roster at a time when the Miami Heat will likely play for the championship. The Heat won 44 games this season. The Raptors won 41. One team seems close, the other so very far away. But this needs to be the summer of Ujiri: Hire the right coach, make the right trades, and make the Raptors significant again.

Toronto FC is so far away from that. This is Manning’s biggest mess. He is president of the soccer team and the CFL’s Argonauts. The Argos are coming off an unlikely Grey Cup win in a city that seems to shrug at the successes of its oldest franchise. The Argos’ problems are almost unsolvable. But with TFC, it’s about a product that is borderline terrible.

What’s more discouraging about TFC is that they have the second-worst record in MLS while spending the most on payroll. Cincinnati has the best record in the East. It pays its players $12 million. Second-place Nashville spends $5 million. TFC tops the league with $26 million in salaries.

That all adds up to two wins this season, none on the road, and the 28th-best record in a league of 29.


The TFC championship in 2017 and the Raptors title of 2019 seem so very long ago. Not as long ago as the Leafs’ last Stanley Cup, but that’s another story, always.

MLSE, with all its money and all its might, is facing challenging days for its team presidents.

Huge decisions await. Uncertainty is now the standard of the day.
It all went south when I believe they swapped GM or president from TFC to Argos since MLSE wanted Argos love to be revived. It never was the same afterwards.
 
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robertmac43

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When does Manning and Bradley get fired? Sick of all da TFC crap. Complete mismanagement at da highest level. Brutal.
Who knows. Feels like it should have happened long ago. This run of form has been terrible but so was the 30ish games before that. Bob doesn't seem to have an answer, it's brutal to watch, and the Italian stars are begging for change.

If they don't fire him now, I have no idea what they are waiting for....
 

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Who knows. Feels like it should have happened long ago. This run of form has been terrible but so was the 30ish games before that. Bob doesn't seem to have an answer, it's brutal to watch, and the Italian stars are begging for change.

If they don't fire him now, I have no idea what they are waiting for....
To me it all started when Seba got screwed over here .. games were fun to watch with Vasquez feeding Seba and then he would make it rain .. Bradley in prime form held da ship together on da back end back in days where he could run still .. today we got nothing .. our midfield looks like an old age home slow slower and slowest .. and italians never get da ball unless they go back and dribble it up themselves .. so discouraging .. with that payroll we should have someone decent who can run and dominate game in midfiled .. no????????? .. i assume Bradley must know this .. he can't be happy watching us get creamed every game
 
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To me it all started when Seba got screwed over here .. games were fun to watch with Vasquez feeding Seba and then he would make it rain .. Bradley in prime form held da ship together on da back end back in days where he could run still .. today we got nothing .. our midfield looks like an old age home slow slower and slowest .. and italians never get da ball unless they go back and dribble it up themselves .. so discouraging .. with that payroll we should have someone decent who can run and dominate game in midfiled .. no????????? .. i assume Bradley must know this .. he can't be happy watching us get creamed every game
Seba leaving was a major blow, but it's not like the team spiraled when he left. They went to another MLS Cup final and then had a great regular season before being ousted by Columbus in 2020.

As for the midfield, I think you run with Servania - Bradley - Oso when healthy. That being said I think part of the issue right now is the 4-3-3 formation leaving us too exposed. A tactical overhaul likely the best bet right now and i doubt Bradley will provide that.
 

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I was hooked on this team last year in the latter half of the season. I thought it was finally turning things around. I haven't watched a second of this season and forgot the team even exists for a period of time. Putting the games on Apple TV was a massive blunder.
 

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Toronto FC has handed four supporters a permanent ban in the wake of ugly scenes in the stands at Tuesday's Canadian Championship loss to CF Montreal.

All four have been "immediately and permanently banned" from all MLSE facilities and cannot apply for reinstatement in the future.

It marks the first time the Major League Soccer club has resorted to permanent bans. In the past, offenders have been able to apply for reinstatement after a year.

TFC said more people could face sanctions, given the investigation is ongoing and preliminary findings showed "multiple fans" had violated the stadium's code of conduct.

All four fans banned had Toronto FC ticket accounts with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment.


"It's disappointing," Toronto president Bill Manning said in an interview. "We take this seriously. We hold keeping a safe environment in our stadium as our highest priority. The visiting Montreal fans should be able to come to our stadium and enjoy the game even if they're rooting for the opposition. And we expect that from them when we go to Montreal.

"These type of violations of what we call the code of conduct in our venues, it can't be tolerated."

In response to Tuesday's incidents, CF Montreal has banned visiting Toronto fans from Saturday's MLS rematch at Saputo Stadium, closing the visiting supporters’ section.

Please take your coaching decisions just as seriously, and these incidents would not occur
 
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