Proposal: TORONTO - COLUMBUS

[Viqsi]

Why Columbus does this - Helps with the playoff run, with Matthews, Monahan, Silinger as centers. Having the captain of team USA will help the team financially. Columbus has Cayden Lindstrom, Silinger and Matthews for the future is pretty nice for centers.

"Help the team financially".

The Jackets have many things going on, but financial issues are not one of them. And while Matthews is an upgrade on Fantilli right now, he's not enough of one to justify losing both KJ and Mateychuk as well (both of whom are playing huge roles in that same playoff run).

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Playing with Marner and under Keefe's offensive system definitely helps Matthew's numbers. But that doesn't mean Matthews wants to stay though, since the next contract is probably his last big contract, he'll probably go to the highest bidder. I think he'll go back to the US, maybe Florida with the low taxes

Oh well if hes going to leave Columbus for Florida why would they want to make this trade?

Have they not lost enough superstars in Ohio to the Florida based teams?

 

[Hotpot]

Oh well if hes going to leave Columbus for Florida why would they want to make this trade?

Have they not lost enough superstars in Ohio to the Florida based teams?

That's a fair point, maybe they are willing to roll their dices like the Hurricanes with Ranta

 

[The Management]

Ah, one of those rare "nobody likes that" trade proposals. There's actually sort of an art form to it.

 

[Bust]

Leaf players really are under rated on HFboards somehow.

Some flaming-hot, brutal takes in this thread.

 

[stevo61]

Leaf players really are under rated on HFboards somehow.

Yep, that's what's going on here. You guys drafted your core and running with it for better or worse, Columbus is gearing up to do the same. They are exceeding expectations with many kids leading the charge, why the hell would they trade a large portion of that for potentially 3 years of Matthews? Especially if he's playing injured and not even the same player this year

 

[Arthur Morgan]

pretty light for Matthews, I like Fantilli and all but pretty light

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Not a chance.

 

[BurningFlame]

Not trading Matthews for anything unless Mcdavid is involved. Lock this shit up

MacKinnon? Makar? Hughes? Bedard?

 

[Schennanigans]

Zero chance Leafs even entertain a Mathew’s trade unless it’s too stupid to turn down.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Honestly, if I'm Toronto, I at least take the Time to think about it

 

[Viqsi]

Zero chance Leafs even entertain a Mathew’s trade unless it’s too stupid to turn down.

It's too stupid for the Jackets to even remotely consider, but that's admittedly not exactly the same thing.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It's too stupid for the Jackets to even remotely consider, but that's admittedly not exactly the same thing.

Not close to the same thing.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

This is my favorite part of bad trade proposals where fanbases argue over who turns it down more.

Also, it’s Columbus.

 

[Rightwing46]

Assuming Matthews hates playing in Berube's system is willing to waive his no-trade....

Matthews for Fantilli, Johnson, Mateychuk

Why Toronto does this - start retooling with getting back 2 top 6 centers. Matthews has injury concerns, so Leafs are managing risk. This also frees up cap space for McJesus in a few years.

Why Columbus does this - Helps with the playoff run, with Matthews, Monahan, Silinger as centers. Having the captain of team USA will help the team financially. Columbus has Cayden Lindstrom, Silinger and Matthews for the future is pretty nice for centers.

That a huge NO

 

[Xoggz22]

Zero chance Leafs even entertain a Mathew’s trade unless it’s too stupid to turn down.

So....exactly the trade that was proposed. Too stupid.

 

[Bust]

It's too stupid for the Jackets to even remotely consider, but that's admittedly not exactly the same thing.

I think trading for any top centre, who's also a top goal scorer, while not even being on the trade block, would require a "stupid" offer.

Regardless if it "makes sense" or not (doesn't make sense for either team), I wouldn't be too offended by the offering of Matthews for CBJ's young studs. Auston is one of the best in the game and it would be huge for CBJ to net a player of that calibre and status. However, I do think Fantilli, if all goes right, can be that guy.

Neither team would make this trade as it doesn't really accomplish anything for either team ahead of a playoff push. But all things considered, feels like a few CBJ fans here are simply exaggerating or don't understand what a healthy Matthews can bring to a franchise. I get being attached to blue chip prospects and young rookies, but there's some heavy undervaluing of one of the leagues top centres and goal scorers going on in this thread.

 

[CBJx614]

I think trading for any top centre, who's also a top goal scorer, while not even being on the trade block, would require a "stupid" offer.

Regardless if it "makes sense" or not (doesn't make sense for either team), I wouldn't be too offended by the offering of Matthews for CBJ's young studs. Auston is one of the best in the game and it would be huge for CBJ to net a player of that calibre and status. However, I do think Fantilli, if all goes right, can be that guy.

Neither team would make this trade as it doesn't really accomplish anything for either team ahead of a playoff push. But all things considered, feels like a few CBJ fans here are simply exaggerating or don't understand what a healthy Matthews can bring to a franchise. I get being attached to blue chip prospects and young rookies, but there's some heavy undervaluing of one of the leagues top centres and goal scorers going on in this thread.

I don't think there's any undervaluing of Matthews going on here. Yes he's a top player, but he's not gonna be that guy when CBJ trades all the talented depth around him. The jackets have trying building a team around 1 guy multiple times (Nash, Panarin) and it never works out.

You mention Fantilli, but KJ is damn near a PPG pace this season. And Mateychuk isn't just a throw in, the Jackets traded Jiricek partially because they know have another Werenski in the fold with Mateychuk.


When you factor in the cap hit and how much cap space Toronto would have for a few years until these guys sign their next deals would be huge for Toronto.

Just because Columbus fans don't want to do the deal doesn't mean we're undervaluing Matthews, we just don't want to build our team like around one major superstar again.

 

[Viqsi]

I think trading for any top centre, who's also a top goal scorer, while not even being on the trade block, would require a "stupid" offer.

Regardless if it "makes sense" or not (doesn't make sense for either team), I wouldn't be too offended by the offering of Matthews for CBJ's young studs. Auston is one of the best in the game and it would be huge for CBJ to net a player of that calibre and status. However, I do think Fantilli, if all goes right, can be that guy.

Neither team would make this trade as it doesn't really accomplish anything for either team ahead of a playoff push. But all things considered, feels like a few CBJ fans here are simply exaggerating or don't understand what a healthy Matthews can bring to a franchise. I get being attached to blue chip prospects and young rookies, but there's some heavy undervaluing of one of the leagues top centres and goal scorers going on in this thread.

Um. There's no "blue chip prospects" in that proposal. Fantilli is now an established core roster player for the Jackets. KJ is now an established core roster player for the Jackets. Mateychuk is the hot young rookie who's already playing a significant role on the team. There's a lot of folks who are really not paying attention to who is doing what on this roster.

 

[Bust]

I don't think there's any undervaluing of Matthews going on here. Yes he's a top player, but he's not gonna be that guy when CBJ trades all the talented depth around him. The jackets have trying building a team around 1 guy multiple times (Nash, Panarin) and it never works out.

You mention Fantilli, but KJ is damn near a PPG pace this season. And Mateychuk isn't just a throw in, the Jackets traded Jiricek partially because they know have another Werenski in the fold with Mateychuk.


When you factor in the cap hit and how much cap space Toronto would have for a few years until these guys sign their next deals would be huge for Toronto.

Just because Columbus fans don't want to do the deal doesn't mean we're undervaluing Matthews, we just don't want to build our team like around one major superstar again.

Matthews will always be that guy, regardless of who’s around him. He’s that good. Just because a vocal group like to stir the pot with leaf fans doesn’t make it true. Matthews is the best goal scoring centre in the game, without question.

I didn’t mention KJ, nor Mateychuk - but that certainly doesn’t mean I don’t value their contributions or don’t understand the sky high potential of those kids. The value those 2 plus fantilli bring is damn near invaluable - but Matthews is all those things as well; while being a heavily marketable asset, among other thing.

If I was a CBJ fan I wouldn’t do the deal either! All I’m saying, is you won’t get a superstar centre, who’s also perennial rocket winner, who isn’t on the market for anything less than “unrealistic ”. Because Matthews is all those things to his team and then some.

 

[Bust]

Um. There's no "blue chip prospects" in that proposal. Fantilli is now an established core roster player for the Jackets. KJ is now an established core roster player for the Jackets. Mateychuk is the hot young rookie who's already playing a significant role on the team. There's a lot of folks who are really not paying attention to who is doing what on this roster.

Let’s not get caught up in semantics. They are all recent blue chippers who have graduated to full time spots.

It’s not that deep.

 

[Viqsi]

Let’s not get caught up in semantics. They are all recent blue chippers who have graduated to full time spots.

It’s not that deep.

In 18 games since Monahan went down Fantilli is 8-9-17 on the first line playing over 20 minutes per game with stifiling defense; he's established as our #2C and already looks the part of a #1C. KJ (now in his third NHL season) is 20-21-41 in 45 games; he's basically the playmaking engine that runs the second line (the first line's, of course, being Kirill Marchenko). Mateychuk is starting to creep over 20 minutes per game and carrying the second pairing.

It's not "semantics". You are fundamentally misstating and downplaying what these guys are doing. That would be akin to us referring to Matthews as just "a #1C" without acknowledging his elite-level status.

 

[Bust]

In 18 games since Monahan went down Fantilli is 8-9-17 on the first line playing over 20 minutes per game with stifiling defense; he's established as our #2C and already looks the part of a #1C. KJ (now in his third NHL season) is 20-21-41 in 45 games; he's basically the playmaking engine that runs the second line (the first line's, of course, being Kirill Marchenko). Mateychuk is starting to creep over 20 minutes per game and carrying the second pairing.

It's not "semantics". You are fundamentally misstating and downplaying what these guys are doing. That would be akin to us referring to Matthews as just "a #1C" without acknowledging his elite-level status.

Ya. That’s semantics.

I have a real hard time taking you seriously when you state Matthews is an upgrade on Fantilli, for now. And then proceed to blow a gasket when I mention blue chippers in reference to a kid who’s played a grand total of 22 games.

1) CBJ will be very blessed if Fantilli gets anywhere close to Matthews in his career. He’s a great player but he’s multiple tiers below Matthews currently.

2) if Matthews was a jacket you would be out here in war paint as you’d see the value he brings on and off the ice. You simply don’t understand it. And that’s ok, he’s a polarizing player that markets himself. CBJ has never had that.

3) again. For the 3rd time. I don’t do this deal as a CBJ fan/GM. But not for the silliness that’s spewed on this board.


Edited.

 

[Viqsi]

Ya. That’s semantics.

I have a real hard time taking you seriously when you state Fantilli is an upgrade on Matthews, for now.

You would definitely have a point if I had ever said anything even remotely resembling that kind of nonsense. Fantilli is on a very good upward trend but anyone can tell he's not elite yet and may never be. Matthews already is. You might want to make sure you're not talking to Bizarro Viqsi; she can sometimes get a little weird about this stuff.

 

[Bust]

And while Matthews is an upgrade on Fantilli right now, he's not enough of one to justify losing both KJ and Mateychuk as well

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