Proposal: Toronto - Arizona

[Kibe]

Knies, Dermott and TO 2022 1st (or 2023 1st)
for
Chychrun

That's basically the same offer as OP.

 

[PainForShane]

Chychurn and Matthews aren't even close to similar value. Matthews is arguably the 2nd best player on the planet, chychurn is a top pair d having a terrible year.

Unlike the OP at least I know my counteroffer is complete garbage. Sarcasm much?

But also: Chychrun's been fine since Jan 1st (actually a + player even with big minutes on this terrible roster while playing with a rotating AHL D while playing on his off side half the time). First two months of the season were awful, he's recovered since then

 

[Just a Fan]

Sandin/Liljgren
Knies/Niemela
1st 22/23
2nd

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Unlike the OP at least I know my counteroffer is complete garbage. Sarcasm much?

Point is Chychurn has been awful this season and his previous seasons when compared to other top of the league defenseman aren't very good. I think he's over-rated for what he brings to a good team and what he would cost. Hes a good d man but he's nowhere near a top 5 or 10 d league wide. Top 20 maybe.

 

[Djp]

Lmao. If this is the price, Ottawa would not have balked at it. So, so, so easy to beat.

Niemela is a very solid prospect.... not sure I'd call him a "top prospect" as I highly doubt he would go 1st round (or above the very bottom of the 1st) in a redraft

every team has a prospect picked late 2nd-mid 3rd who supposedly would go late 1st in a re-draft.

in this kind of trade he’s a throw in add…not a focused piece.

toronto 1st being 24-32 range also has not as much value. Other teams give them up fir rentals. Chychrun us not a rental.

toronto does not have prospects/ futures to get him.

 

[AvroArrow]

Correction: Would be beaten by EVERY team.

You have absolutely no clue who Niemela is. I would not be surprised if he's better than Chychrun 4 years from now.

 

[AZviaNJ]

That's basically the same offer as OP.

No it’s not…look deeper.

As a fan I’d like it, not sure GMBA would.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

You have absolutely no clue who Niemela is. I would not be surprised if he's better than Chychrun 4 years from now.

Sandin could be better the chychurn by next season. Chychurn is the most overrated player in the entire NHL.

 

[PainForShane]

Point is Chychurn has been awful this season and his previous seasons when compared to other top of the league defenseman aren't very good. I think he's over-rated for what he brings to a good team and what he would cost. Hes a good d man but he's nowhere near a top 5 or 10 d league wide. Top 20 maybe.

He finished 10th in Norris voting last year as a 22 year old. That's pretty close to a top 10 D league wide don't you think? Also that's not even considering his contract or the fact he's only 22 years old.

Anyway if you think he's over-rated for what he would cost then don't pay the cost. Pretty simple

 

[Kibe]

No it’s not…look deeper.

As a fan I’d like it, not sure GMBA would.

OP: Dermott,Niemelä,1st
You: Dermott,Knies,1st
Basically the same offer. Unless you put value on being a local boy.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

He finished 10th in Norris voting last year as a 22 year old. That's pretty close to a top 10 D league wide don't you think? Also that's not even considering his contract or the fact he's only 22 years old.

Anyway if you think he's over-rated for what he would cost then don't pay the cost. Pretty simple

His positive numbers don't stand out at all, his negative numbers do. Any player can have a career year. He doesn't have the track record to be considered a top 10-15 d league wide. Thats why the trade ask for him seems so absurd.

 

[CatchyTune]

Thats not enough. Chychyrun is very young on a very valuable deal. I dont know if trading what it takes for him makes sense

 

[PainForShane]

His positive numbers don't stand out at all, his negative numbers do. Any player can have a career year. He doesn't have the track record to be considered a top 10-15 d league wide. Thats why the trade ask for him seems so absurd.

He's only 23 of course he doesn't have a multi-year track record yet. smh

If you're ignoring his positive numbers why do you want him anyway? Like you said anyone can have a career year / lead the league in goal scoring / show up on 19 of 31 Norris ballots as a 22 year old

 

[Marner4Life]

Kerfoot, Lilgren, Roberson, Niemela, 1st 2022
2nd 2023
For
Chychrun and Crouse

 

[HockeyVirus]

People have no idea who any of these Leafs kids are and act like they are offering trash. Saying Niemela is meh is so out to lunch. He'll be talked about a lot more next year when he comes over.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Knies, Dermott and TO 2022 1st (or 2023 1st)
for
Chychrun

Send over the paperwork. I think this is probably one piece short of the true value. Not another 1st but maybe a 2nd/3rd or a prospect farther down the list from torontos top 4 (Knies would be in that group)

 

[John Mandalorian]

Correction: Would be beaten by EVERY team.

Not necessarily. I can see several teams not trying very hard for him. But having said that, it’s a very low bar.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Can be beaten by another team.

Sure, every offer by any team can be beaten by another team.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Toronto trades:
Travis Dermott
Topi Niemela
2022 1st rd pick

Arizona trades:
Jacob Chychrun

Muzzin out potentially long term Toronto gets a replacement. Chychrun comes in at a good cap hit and has years of service left.

Arizona gets Dermott who can fill in and be a solid bottom pairing guy for them moving forward. Niemela provides them with a top prospect. First helps with the ongoing rebuild.

 

[MayDayMayDay]

Dermott
Knies
Liljegren
TOR 1st in 22 or 23 (Toronto gets option to defer).
TOR 3rd in 22 or 2nd in 23 (Arizona gets option to defer).

Chychrun
Kessel @ 50%

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Point is Chychurn has been awful this season and his previous seasons when compared to other top of the league defenseman aren't very good. I think he's over-rated for what he brings to a good team and what he would cost. Hes a good d man but he's nowhere near a top 5 or 10 d league wide. Top 20 maybe.

Considering he has never played on a good team, how the hell could you possibly know this?

 

[Heldig]

Well, I have learned that the Maple Leafs are going to be the dominant force in the league for years to come. 3 top pairing D in the pipeline, a potential 40 goal scorer and a unicorn power forward.

As for the actual team, not sure why the Leafs would need/want Chychrun. If anything, the team could use a veteran playoff warrior to help them get the 1st round monkey off their backs.

 

[PainForShane]

Well, I have learned that the Maple Leafs are going to be the dominant force in the league for years to come. 3 top pairing D in the pipeline, a potential 40 goal scorer and a unicorn power forward.

As for the actual team, not sure why the Leafs would need/want Chychrun. If anything, the team could use a veteran playoff warrior to help them get the 1st round monkey off their backs.

And I have learned that 23 old defensemen aren't considered good until they have multi-year NHL track records, also Norris voting isn't a valid way of deciding who the league's top defensemen are. Wonder what these guys think of someone like Fox compared to a superstar like Niemela who's tearing up the Finnish League.

Your bolded is a really good point. Chychrun's more of a multi-year long term solution who becomes part of your core, at least this year the Leafs would probably be better suited trading for experienced vets like Chara or even Gio -- Gio's cap will be harder to fit but maybe the Yotes could maybe be a broker (for another 2nd round pick ha!). Acquisition cost will be less as well, and maybe they stick around for another year on a Thornton / Spezza like contract.

Gio was also born in Toronto. Might be something to keep an eye on in the future

 

[Mersss]

Funny how Leafs fan still think an #7 dman holds any kind of value

 

[PainForShane]

Funny how Leafs fan still think an #7 dman holds any kind of value

Well, they did just trade with us for Ilya Lyabushkin...