it makes me laugh when people say the leafs should be focused on getting a RHD instead of a LHD(if it was that easy then they would have gotten one already). The leafs should focus on getting better and fowler helps them do that, regardless of what side he plays on.
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Top defender on the Jennings winning team and currently 6th in D NHL scoring with 8 points in 11 games. Yeah definitely not a top pairing guy
I see you failed to read the other half of my post, which was referencing his stats from previous years. Cause you know, 10 games into the season, its obvious that Jimmy Howard is the best goalie in the league, the Weber/Subban trade was a clear win for Montreal, that Ansimov is going to score 57 goals this season, etc.
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Hall just got Larsson. Fowler is better than Larsson and Nylander/Marner are a long way from Hall and it's far from a given they will be as good as him in the future.
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Ok. Best defenseman year in, year out, on the team that won the Pacific in the last 4 years.
Better?
Argue that now, pls.
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In my opinion the Leafs don't need another PMD. They need someone to actually focus on keeping the puck out of the net. Plus the Leafs are in no rush to get better. They have a few good d-men in the system. Be patient and see what you have without giving away assets to acquire a guy that will likely walk in a couple of years.
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Leafs fans should be jumping at this, and Duck fans should be jumping at the moderators to close this. You don't get Fowler without taking Stone and giving JVR+. Especially with the way Fowler has been playing this season. This is coming from a leafs fan
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At the age of 22, in the AHL... I believe Mark Barberio was 22 when he won AHL D of the year, where is he at now?
Carrick is nothing more than a B/C level prospect that every team has. This offer isn't even close.
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that screwy logic always cracks me up.
I'm glad it does. Good counter argument by the way.
I'm all for the disagreement about the perceived value of Fowler throughout the league (he is greatly underrated and undervalued by most of the other teams fan bases and especially by the advanced stats crowd) but this simply isn't true.
12-13 Beauchemin was our best defenseman (4th in Noris voting), Fowler really struggled that year and was barely treading water on the second pairing.
13-14 - agreed Fowler was the best defenseman, Beauchemin had a down year and Fowler was our go to guy.
14-15 Beauchemin bounced back and had a very good year and was the go to guy defensively for BB the whole season. Fowler had a mediocre year where he was even healthy scratched down the stretch. To his credit he was our best defenseman in the playoffs though.
15-16 Lindholm was pretty clearly our best defenseman overall over the whole year. Fowler had a better first half but from about December on Lindholm took over as our best guy on the back end.
No, not better, I don't give a **** that you're saying that he's the best defenseman, that's not what I asked. What I asked was for an explanation about why he is viewed as a top pairing defenseman when his advanced and normal stats point him towards being a middle pairing defenseman. What does he do on the ice that you have to see with your eyes that invalidate the stats?
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Any doubts fowler is not a top pairing defenseman should be dispelled with his play so far this year.
You people should start focusing on a stoner + Montour package or vatanen at the draft.
You people should start focusing on a stoner + Montour package or vatanen at the draft.
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He plays well as a top pairing defenseman.
What answer do you expect here? Do you want details? Fine. He's Anaheim's best defenseman on the breakout. He's very good defensively. Has excellent passing abilities. Skates like the wind, and has remarkable escapability with the puck. He has high level hockey smarts.
The team consistently has success with him in a top pairing role, even though he's typically been lugging around questionable defensive partners. That's the long and the short of it.
The biggest criticism of him is that he hasn't been physical enough, and that he's been too conservative offensively(under Boudreau, at least). The former is something that he needs to work on, and by all accounts is doing better at, and the latter may simply have been a coach mandate, because he was more aggressive offensively under Carlyle pre-Boudreau, and he's been more aggressive offensively post-Boudreau.
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Fowler - Manson/Vatanen
Stoner - Vatanen/Manson
Theodore/Larsson - Bieksa
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We have had a blueline something like that (without Lindholm playing any games yet) not what I would call a cup contender blueline that we have had. Fowler has been great for us and the fact he plays for the Ducks has little to do with it. Maple Leafs don't have a defenseman who has been as great as Fowler because their defenseman aren't as good simple as that.
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And Vatanen has been pretty underwhelming to start the season. It's basically been Fowler, and to a lesser extent Manson. He's carrying the blue line right now. The team needs Vatanen to wake up. Lindholm returning will help, and it will give the team two top pairing quality D.
This team may end up being a contender, but it's hard to say they started the season as one, since they were missing two key players.
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If Carrick is the supposed bait to land a "better RHD", then we (fellow Leaf fans) better be prepared to pony up.
Fowler would be at least a #3, if not #2 in the Leafs depth chart if he played for the Leafs.
One option the Leafs have is to wait it out (at least this year). We have some prospects in the system and it would be good to see how that shakes out, and we are not in a big rush to where we have to do something this year anyhow.
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Fowler would be the number 1 on the leafs as of right now. Rielly is likely better in the future but not yet.
The leafs IMO are a legit blueliner away from being scarily good. They have great young offensive talent with a mix of talented veterans to go with an adequate goaltender. All they're lacking is a bit of experience up front and a quality blueliner or two.
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he competes with lindholm in Anaheim, which would mean he competes with rielly in Toronto, hed be your #1 or your #2 pretty easily.
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Maybe. Reilly is off to a slow start this year. I like Fowler, but there are other options & strategies the Leafs can pursue. A lot of the nation feel like something has to be done now. I'm not in that camp.
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First off that's way to much for Cam Fowler, Secondly he's currently unavailable. So a deal isn't happening more then likely not at least until next summer any ways. He's been just about their best player and i just don't see Bob Murray trading Fowler yet especially with Depres being on LTIR and all.
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Babcock would probably love Cam. The dude is basically a get out of jail free card when he has the puck in the D zone. There aren't many players as good, let alone better, at getting the puck out when it's on his stick. The saying "he can stickhandle in a phone booth"? That's his skating ability. Give him an inch, and he'll turn it into clean breakout.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Exactly that's a pretty bad offer for Fowler, Detroit would give Murray much better package then this. That doesn't help Anaheim in the very least.
