Torey Krug

[chizzler]

I'd really like to see Hamilton fail, but truth be said - Calgary sucks right now as a team, Giordano has zero points and is like -5 in his first 5 games too. So lets give em some time.

I don't think he'll fail but the fandom there is already complaining about what we did. His defense is not what they thought it was. I think they are underwhelmed so far. Of course the teams record and start has something to do with that.

 

[Sturm]

I feel a lot better that Krug has proven so far to be a top 4 D, not just a PP specialist and shaky 3D which is what I feared he would be. Of course now he'll get like 5 mill next year and the Bruins won't be able to afford him, ha.

As for Hamilton, alot of people seem to forget hes still in his earlier 20s....

 

[HockeyMomx2]

I don't think he'll fail but the fandom there is already complaining about what we did. His defense is not what they thought it was. I think they are underwhelmed so far. Of course the teams record and start has something to do with that.

We tried warning them. They were too in love with what they thought they knew about him. They kept ignoring us telling them he has the potential to be a #1 D, but wasn't close to being one yet. They didn't listen. They assumed we were mad about the trade and were just bitter. They are seeing for themselves now that while he has a lot of positives, he has almost as many negatives at this point in his development.

 

[Eddie Munson]

I don't think he'll fail but the fandom there is already complaining about what we did. His defense is not what they thought it was. I think they are underwhelmed so far. Of course the teams record and start has something to do with that.

Last season really went to some of their fan's heads regardless of the fact that their advanced stats last year show they by far overachieved and that it was unsustainable, similar to Toronto in 2013.

I do find it funny however that many of the complaints posters here had about Dougie are still the chief complaints that seem to pop up over there like: for a 6'5 220lbs defensemen, he is really weak and seems to be out muscled but smaller players, his decision making is really suspect with the puck in his own zone, and that he makes poor reads on when to jump into the play and when not to.

He'll likely get better at all these things as he matures but I for one am surprisingly getting real comfortable with him not being here.

As for Krug. What a beast, the guy just plain and simple competes his ass off and doesn't back down. This should be a huge year for him in terms of learning the tips and tricks it takes to being a successful top-4 defender at his size. So far there is a lot to like about his game and while he has gotten out muscled in front of his own net a bit this season he has progressed really well in terms of stick positioning, gap control and defensive reads. I think as his defensive game progresses and he gets more comfortable that his offensive game will pick up a bit too. Really looking forward to seeing how he progresses and love his future here in Boston.

 

[BB88]

Well, sure, 20/20 hindsight. At the time Spooner was a post prospect throw in for many on these boards and many pro-hockey people it seems (Buffalo), though. IF everyone had got back to health, and they didn't, I still think it COULD have worked...but I wouldn't have taken the risk (unless my job was on the line )

Right now we can look at it and say high chance is we wouldn't have been any better, could have been worse and killed our future sending us to rebuild completely.

 

[wintersej]

Right now we can look at it and say high chance is we wouldn't have been any better, could have been worse and killed our future sending us to rebuild completely.

No arguments here.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Well, sure, 20/20 hindsight. At the time Spooner was a post prospect throw in for many on these boards and many pro-hockey people it seems (Buffalo), though. IF everyone had got back to health, and they didn't, I still think it COULD have worked...but I wouldn't have taken the risk (unless my job was on the line )

Not with hindsight, though. Many many many of us didn't want anything to do with the asking price for either of these players.

It was a fool's play then, it's a fool's play in hindsight.

Only perspective we've gained in the meantime is just how much damage that could have potentially caused.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Not with hindsight, though. Many many many of us didn't want anything to do with the asking price for either of these players.

It was a fool's play then, it's a fool's play in hindsight.

Only perspective we've gained in the meantime is just how much damage that could have potentially caused.

Exactly. With the way Chiarelli was going I'm surprised we managed to keep Koko, Spooner, 1st, 2nd, and Krug vs Vermette, Stewart, and Yandle.

 

[wintersej]

Not with hindsight, though. Many many many of us didn't want anything to do with the asking price for either of these players.

It was a fool's play then, it's a fool's play in hindsight.

Only perspective we've gained in the meantime is just how much damage that could have potentially caused.

Exactly. With the way Chiarelli was going I'm surprised we managed to keep Koko, Spooner, 1st, 2nd, and Krug vs Vermette, Stewart, and Yandle.

I don't think anyone is arguing with this.

 

[Mathews28]

We tried warning them. They were too in love with what they thought they knew about him. They kept ignoring us telling them he has the potential to be a #1 D, but wasn't close to being one yet. They didn't listen. They assumed we were mad about the trade and were just bitter. They are seeing for themselves now that while he has a lot of positives, he has almost as many negatives at this point in his development.

Fans in Calgary likely knew very little about Hamilton from their own experience. So when the trade happened they did what too many others do...they listened to the media.

And what was it the media was saying? That Hamilton was a sure-fire #1, the Bruins got fleeced, etc. When the trade occurred I honestly couldn't believe what I was hearing from the writers and even a couple other GM's, and I still am adamant that they way over-valued Hamilton. Last year I saw a soft on the puck, non-physical d-man who made questionable decisions that, despite his age, were very concerning.

Going back to the writers, I think the same impact they had on Calgary fans opinions they had here in Boston, too. Bruins fans forgot what they saw last year, instead being influenced by the writers proclaiming Dougie a stud...so the trade looked horrible in their eyes.

Dougie is what he is...a good sized D-man with skills who can either be a solid #2 if he gets it together, an average d-man if he doesn't, or somewhere in between. But if Calgary fans are expecting him to be the next Gio/Keith/Doughty, they're going to be disappointed.

 

[kutskova]

Fans in Calgary likely knew very little about Hamilton from their own experience. So when the trade happened they did what too many others do...they listened to the media.

And what was it the media was saying? That Hamilton was a sure-fire #1, the Bruins got fleeced, etc. When the trade occurred I honestly couldn't believe what I was hearing from the writers and even a couple other GM's, and I still am adamant that they way over-valued Hamilton. Last year I saw a soft on the puck, non-physical d-man who made questionable decisions that, despite his age, were very concerning.

Going back to the writers, I think the same impact they had on Calgary fans opinions they had here in Boston, too. Bruins fans forgot what they saw last year, instead being influenced by the writers proclaiming Dougie a stud...so the trade looked horrible in their eyes.

Dougie is what he is...a good sized D-man with skills who can either be a solid #2 if he gets it together, an average d-man if he doesn't, or somewhere in between. But if Calgary fans are expecting him to be the next Gio/Keith/Doughty, they're going to be disappointed.

Can't understand how anyone expected Hamilton to be a shutdown d-man. Sea dogs are run and gun.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Fans in Calgary likely knew very little about Hamilton from their own experience. So when the trade happened they did what too many others do...they listened to the media.

And what was it the media was saying? That Hamilton was a sure-fire #1, the Bruins got fleeced, etc. When the trade occurred I honestly couldn't believe what I was hearing from the writers and even a couple other GM's, and I still am adamant that they way over-valued Hamilton. Last year I saw a soft on the puck, non-physical d-man who made questionable decisions that, despite his age, were very concerning.

Going back to the writers, I think the same impact they had on Calgary fans opinions they had here in Boston, too. Bruins fans forgot what they saw last year, instead being influenced by the writers proclaiming Dougie a stud...so the trade looked horrible in their eyes.

Dougie is what he is...a good sized D-man with skills who can either be a solid #2 if he gets it together, an average d-man if he doesn't, or somewhere in between. But if Calgary fans are expecting him to be the next Gio/Keith/Doughty, they're going to be disappointed.

I saw a young defenseman that was adequate in his zone (not stellar, but hardly the worst on the team, including those currently on the team); that had the team lead for points for defensemen; that played top pairing minutes with our only other two legitimate top 4 defensemen missed a fair amount of time... and would STILL be younger than any defensemen on our current squad.

At the very least, he's an offensive minded defenseman that plays in the top 4 and can slot into the top pair during injuries. Average defenseman don't score 42 points in a season.

I watched the same player, and yea, the move is said and done, but no need to sell him short. The type of player we lost, is exactly what we hope any of the defenseman playing now can step up to be (stylistically and depth-wise).


If Krug takes those minutes, puts up the numbers, and plays adequate defense (~the level Hamilton played last season, wishfully thinking better), I think those expectations aren't a bad place for him to be; and his next pay day will likely be around what Hamilton got.

 

[Zihuatanejo]

Is Krug the real deal in terms of point production? I have to replace an injury in my pool and thinking about picking him up but I'm an Oiler fan so I don't catch many Bruins games. Thanks for the help!

 

[Tampbear]

Is Krug the real deal in terms of point production? I have to replace an injury in my pool and thinking about picking him up but I'm an Oiler fan so I don't catch many Bruins games. Thanks for the help!

We've only got good things to say about Krug now, he should be able to count for 40 points or so, but he's at a ppg pace right now and will be seeing more minutes than last year, kid just keeps getting better. Good chance it pays off to add him to your team.

 

[chizzler]

I saw a young defenseman that was adequate in his zone (not stellar, but hardly the worst on the team, including those currently on the team); that had the team lead for points for defensemen; that played top pairing minutes with our only other two legitimate top 4 defensemen missed a fair amount of time... and would STILL be younger than any defensemen on our current squad.

At the very least, he's an offensive minded defenseman that plays in the top 4 and can slot into the top pair during injuries. Average defenseman don't score 42 points in a season.

I watched the same player, and yea, the move is said and done, but no need to sell him short. The type of player we lost, is exactly what we hope any of the defenseman playing now can step up to be (stylistically and depth-wise).


If Krug takes those minutes, puts up the numbers, and plays adequate defense (~the level Hamilton played last season, wishfully thinking better), I think those expectations aren't a bad place for him to be; and his next pay day will likely be around what Hamilton got.

That's great but if he scores a goal but helps give up two, that's not a good trade. He's like Wideman #2.

 

[Zihuatanejo]

We've only got good things to say about Krug now, he should be able to count for 40 points or so, but he's at a ppg pace right now and will be seeing more minutes than last year, kid just keeps getting better. Good chance it pays off to add him to your team.

Good to hear. Thank you!

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

Is Krug the real deal in terms of point production? I have to replace an injury in my pool and thinking about picking him up but I'm an Oiler fan so I don't catch many Bruins games. Thanks for the help!

PP god. I hope he hits 50 points this year

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

That's great but if he scores a goal but helps give up two, that's not a good trade. He's like Wideman #2.

If he doesn't improve, sure that's what it is. But unless something catastrophic happens, I'd say we haven't seen the best of Dougie Hamilton in this league, who is only 22 this season.

Krug, (which I think has looked like he's improved thus far), is still proving he can handle the minutes. If Krug continues being solid, I'm more than satisfied having him in that spot and even with that paycheck (that he'll earn if he continues his current play).

(Unfortunately, fact is we still need an additional top 4 defenseman, unless one of other defenseman prove otherwise).

 

[smithformeragent]

Bump

A few questions with regards to Mr. Krug

1. What kind of contract does he command in free agency?

2. Do the Bruins re-sign him?

3. Do you re-sign him if you're Sweeney?

 

[Lord Ahriman]

A few questions with regards to Mr. Krug

1. What kind of contract does he command in free agency?

Over than $5M.

2. Do the Bruins re-sign him?

Yes.

3. Do you re-sign him if you're Sweeney?

Do you really want an atrocious power play again? Pay the man.

Bold.

 

[wintersej]

5 million plus. As long as possible. He is 24 and still improving. That being said, not an untouchable asset if a true top pairing becomes available.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

That's great but if he scores a goal but helps give up two, that's not a good trade. He's like Wideman #2.

But he doesn't, and he isn't.

 

[wintersej]

Day to day per Haggs. Possible for next game. Dodged a bullet.

 

[SoldiersOfFilth]

Why does Krug not have an "A" yet? Fantastic leader, and an "A" may also convince him to take a slight paycut for longer term to stay in Boston.

Not that he needs much convincing, his puppy is named Fenway after all

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Where does everyone think his new contract comes in? I think the GM swap was really bad for Krug myself. He had a gentlemen's agreement with Chia on those sweetheart deals he took before, and my gut tells me it's arbitration that awaits him on this next deal. He also chose a bad time to have his career low for goals so far. He's still very much on pace for his solid 40 points though, which in today's NHL makes you a 6 million dollar man.

I can't see Sweeney giving him 6m. So I think they've gotta arbitrate.