Player Discussion Torey Krug - Part II

[Pia8988]

Krug should not get a penny more than he is currently making.

Superb puck mover, very average defensively.

Yet he somehow has the second lowest GAA trailing just McQuaid 5 on 5. Second of the regulars for Scoring Chance against/60.

Now for the offensive side of Krug

Second overall in indivudual scoring chances 5 on 5 with 114.

The two people around him you say?

Burns - 120
Karlsson - 103

 

[ODAAT]

this place kills me, this D is slower than molasses, in Krug they have a mobile, puck moving D-man who`s struggling to put the puck in the net at the rate he did his first few years, is playing with a partner(s) who he has to cover up for more than he would had he played with a true top 4 d-man, busts his arse, and has exceeded his previous point total for a career high and fans want to crap all over him?

Entitlted, this kid has leader written all over him and no way you`ll find this fan hammering a guy who works like he does but is blessed with a D core that can`t move and make constant mistakes

If he were a UFA, he`d easily pick himself up 4.5-5 mill, is that what I`d want to pay? YES, market dictates the price, not me, and as Sweeney rebuilds that D core, that cap hit will look small if he were locked up for years and he`ll have playing partners that can actually play at the speed this game is played at

 

[kdog82]

Would dealing Krug in a package to get Shattenkirk work?

Krug + SJ 1st + DeBrusk

for

Shattenkirk.

Than sign Yandle (which I think Happens) and you have a very good top pair in Yandle/Shettenkirk for the nextt 5-7 years.

Yandle/Shattenkirk
Chara/C.Miler
Morrow/McQuaid

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Would dealing Krug in a package to get Shattenkirk work?

Krug + SJ 1st + DeBrusk

for

Shattenkirk.

Than sign Yandle (which I think Happens) and you have a very good top pair in Yandle/Shettenkirk for the nextt 5-7 years.

Yandle/Shattenkirk
Chara/C.Miler
Morrow/McQuaid

Awful deal.

 

[wintersej]

Would dealing Krug in a package to get Shattenkirk work?

Krug + SJ 1st + DeBrusk

for

Shattenkirk.

Than sign Yandle (which I think Happens) and you have a very good top pair in Yandle/Shettenkirk for the nextt 5-7 years.

Yandle/Shattenkirk
Chara/C.Miler
Morrow/McQuaid

A 1st and DeBrusk for 2 more points and an inch and a half.

OK.

How about no.

 

[wintersej]

Yet he somehow has the second lowest GAA trailing just McQuaid 5 on 5. Second of the regulars for Scoring Chance against/60.

Now for the offensive side of Krug

Second overall in indivudual scoring chances 5 on 5 with 114.

The two people around him you say?

Burns - 120
Karlsson - 103

I didn't know that. Thats crazy.

Krug is 24. He is having an unlucky year with his shot. It happens. We should be complaining about Seidenberg and McQuaid being overpaid crap and the other young D aside from Krug being disappointing.

Not Krug.

 

[bruins51]

Shattenkirk 14G 43P -13 (Age 27)
Krug 3G 41P +10 (Age 24)

Was expecting a much bigger difference tbh. Obviously this is a very linear view and shattenkirk likely plays higher competition. But krug's advanced stats above paint krug in a pretty good light too.

 

[wintersej]

Shattenkirk 14G 43P -13 (Age 27)
Krug 3G 41P +10 (Age 24)

Was expecting a much bigger difference tbh. Obviously this is a very linear view and shattenkirk likely plays higher competition. But krug's advanced stats above paint krug in a pretty good light too.

Shattenkirk plays on the 2nd pairing in STL and plays 45 seconds more a game than Krug.

Shattenkirk actually gets slightly EASIER zone starts than Krug and against slightly EASIER quality of competition... with better partners.

But Shattenkirk is a savior and Krug is a bottom pairing D.

The guy that is only one year older than Colin Miller and has established himself as a middle pairing D with still more upside is not the problem.

edit: I'm not arguing Krug >= Shattenkrik by any means. But, even if you think Krug's shooting % this year is skill and not luck based, saying that he isn't a very good defender is ... I don't know ... whatever you can say and not get an infraction.

 

[bruins51]

Shattenkirk plays on the 2nd pairing in STL and plays 45 seconds more a game than Krug.

Shattenkirk actually gets slightly EASIER zone starts than Krug and against slightly EASIER quality of competition... with better partners.

But Shattenkirk is a savior and Krug is a bottom pairing D.

The guy that is only one year older than Colin Miller and has established himself as a middle pairing D with still more upside is not the problem.

edit: I'm not arguing Krug >= Shattenkrik by any means. But, even if you think Krug's shooting % this year is skill and not luck based, saying that he isn't a very good defender is ... I don't know ... whatever you can say and not get an infraction.

imo krug has established himself as a top 4 D with valuable PP skills. i suspect chara and krug are the top 2 LD heading into next year. The right side is where we need some work. we need to sign/trade for at least 1 top 4 RD, if not 2.

if you subtract krug to get that, you are opening up another hole in your top 4 to fill the existing one. if we sign yandle then that is ok i guess.

the real issue would be i dont think shattenkirk is worth krug, a first, and a prospect.

best case scenario we have all 4

top 4 is some combo of chara, yandle, shattenkirk, krug. bottom pairing c.miller and mquaid.

 

[wintersej]

Problem is that you can only protect 3D + 7F in the expansion draft. Chara has a NMC. Krug and then one more.

Unless you want to go the other direction and protect only 8 players. In which case its 4D and 4 forwards instead of 7. Yikes. Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta. Lose Spooner and Beleksey.

Although, I guess at that point you seriously consider Marchand for Shattenkirk. This offseason is going to be crazy.

Side note: wtf is Calgary going to do? Gio, Hamilton, Brodie... and Wideman as a pending UFA with a NMC that, depending on how the rules go, might HAVE to take on of the three slots.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

Problem is that you can only protect 3D + 7F in the expansion draft. Chara has a NMC. Krug and then one more.

Unless you want to go the other direction and protect only 8 players. In which case its 4D and 4 forwards instead of 7. Yikes. Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta. Lose Spooner and Beleksey.

Although, I guess at that point you seriously consider Marchand for Shattenkirk. This offseason is going to be crazy.

Side note: wtf is Calgary going to do? Gio, Hamilton, Brodie... and Wideman as a pending UFA with a NMC that, depending on how the rules go, might HAVE to take on of the three slots.

I think they could add one top 4. Definitely not the best opition, but we have to be careful in the expansion draft:

Chara - C.Miller
Yandle - Seidenberg
Krug - McQuaid

7F: Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Beleskey, Pastrnak, Spooner, #7 (Loui or UFA)

3D: Chara, Krug, Yandle

1G: Rask

 

[BruinDust]

Problem is that you can only protect 3D + 7F in the expansion draft. Chara has a NMC. Krug and then one more.

Unless you want to go the other direction and protect only 8 players. In which case its 4D and 4 forwards instead of 7. Yikes. Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta. Lose Spooner and Beleksey.

Although, I guess at that point you seriously consider Marchand for Shattenkirk. This offseason is going to be crazy.

Side note: wtf is Calgary going to do? Gio, Hamilton, Brodie... and Wideman as a pending UFA with a NMC that, depending on how the rules go, might HAVE to take on of the three slots.

Krug + 1st for Shattenkirk. I'm sorry I like Krug but the needs for this team now and going forward are on the right side. Despite the numbers Shattenkirk is the superior player.

But I wouldn't add in a valuable piece like Debrusk to get Shattenkirk, that's an overpayment.

Morrow/Arnesson/Zboril/Lauzon/Gryz/O'Gara/etc. You have to believe at least 2 of them pan out as legit NHL D down the road. After C.Miller and Carlo the right side is pretty barren long-term.

Sign Yandle.

Don't protect Chara in the expansion draft. No expansion team is claiming a 39 year old D-man when they can only take one player from each team.

Protect: Yandle, Shattenkirk, C.Miller + 8 Forwards and Rask.

Now if teams are forced to protect guys with NMC/NTCs than it's going to mess up plans for a lot of teams including the Bruins.

 

[wintersej]

I think you have to assume NMC means you have to protect someone. The union will (correctly, in my mind) certainly argue that. NTC is totally different.

 

[wintersej]

Do people think that 24 year old Krug at 5 million or 29 year old Yandle at 7 million will be a better deal over the next 5 years?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Do people think that 24 year old Krug at 5 million or 29 year old Yandle at 7 million will be a better deal over the next 5 years?

I'd take Krug over Yandle; but I hope neither of them would come in that high.

I think Yandle to Boston is a realistic possibility still. Although I don't think that immediately means Krug is out.

 

[Number8]

Torey Krug did something last night I rarely see.

He wound up for two big slapshots and, instead of a hard crack of puck against glass or boards, I heard a solid thud of a puck hitting the goalies pads. Do that 25 more times this season and we'd have won a few games from goals scored off rebounds.

I don't mind the low shooting percentage -- not sure what's happening but have to assume that's an oddity this season.

What drives me nuts is the huge number of shots this season that ricocheted off the boards/glass for a turnover.

I like Krug, but unless he can aim better moving forward I want him to pass more and shoot much much less.

 

[GoBs]

I didn't know that. Thats crazy.

Krug is 24. He is having an unlucky year with his shot. It happens. We should be complaining about Seidenberg and McQuaid being overpaid crap and the other young D aside from Krug being disappointing.

Not Krug.

The real question is what do you pay a PP specialist with average defensive skills who is around 5' 8" 185 lbs?

I think you trade his rights if you have any confidence in the 5 young D you have in the pipeline.

 

[kdog82]

Shattenkirk is far better than Krug. Just my opinion though.

 

[wintersej]

The real question is what do you pay a PP specialist with average defensive skills who is around 5' 8" 185 lbs?

I think you trade his rights if you have any confidence in the 5 young D you have in the pipeline.

"Power play specialist" Krug has twice as many even strength points as Shattenkirk. One less than Yandle. More than Weber, Keith, OEL, Leddy, Doughty...

Krug is also top 50 in the NHL in GAA...despite being on a bad defensive team.

But, ok, power play bottom pairing specialist it is.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

Krug + 1st for Shattenkirk. I'm sorry I like Krug but the needs for this team now and going forward are on the right side. Despite the numbers Shattenkirk is the superior player.

But I wouldn't add in a valuable piece like Debrusk to get Shattenkirk, that's an overpayment.

Morrow/Arnesson/Zboril/Lauzon/Gryz/O'Gara/etc. You have to believe at least 2 of them pan out as legit NHL D down the road. After C.Miller and Carlo the right side is pretty barren long-term.

Sign Yandle.

Don't protect Chara in the expansion draft. No expansion team is claiming a 39 year old D-man when they can only take one player from each team.

Protect: Yandle, Shattenkirk, C.Miller + 8 Forwards and Rask.

Now if teams are forced to protect guys with NMC/NTCs than it's going to mess up plans for a lot of teams including the Bruins.

You have to: NTC, no problem, NMC is mandatory.

 

[bruins51]

You have to: NTC, no problem, NMC is mandatory.

Source? I haven't seen anything from the NHL yet. Everything I saw has been writers speculating.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Shattenkirk is far better than Krug. Just my opinion though.

lol was there a joke that set this up? What I miss?

 

[BruinDust]

You have to: NTC, no problem, NMC is mandatory.

I must of missed the part where the league formally announced all the rules for the expansion draft.

At this point, no one knows what the rules are going to be.

The league could easily decide that players with NMCs are exempt altogether. Again nothing is set in stone yet.

But thanks for the uninformed clarification.

 

[BMC]

IMO the NMC means just that- the player cannot be moved without his consent. Being exposed in an expansion draft is certainly involuntary movement on the player's part.

 

[bruins51]

I could see it being a fight between the league and the player's association. Until something official is released I don't think we can assume either way though.

If NMC didn't require protection that would make our lives easier going forward.