Proposal: TOR/VAN (not Miller) and TOR/PHI

[Boondock]

Yep. Exactly. Nothing against McDermott, but he does not move the needle for us and Schenn does, even to upgrade a 7th to a 5th, which let's be honest, is pretty much nothing.

I think you have that backwards. The Canucks give up the 5th and get a 7th. It would be a down grade of a pick for the Canucks. I will agree the pick value is not the issue.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I would say no to deal #1 from a Vancouver perspective. I would say no because Schenn has done a very solid job playing along side Hughes and he is signed for next season as well for $850k. Schenn is also one of our only physical defenders, and he has been one of the only guys to drop the gloves and stick up for teammates. I agree Dermott is the more valuable piece and I understand the slight upgrade in pick for the Leafs, but given Schenn's role and the Canucks tight cap situation, I would prefer to keep what is working at present.

I figured with Juolevi leaving, it left a hole at LD3 behind Hughes and OEL and Dermott does reasonably well in that spot, also can do spot duty at RD...also figured Hamonic was physical and Myers does try to be physical...and clears spot for Woo to potentially join the roster next year.

I appreciate your reasonable dialogue on this though

 

[Cogburn]

No interest in moving Schenn at a negative. Dermott is younger, but could potentially be another nothing for us, where as Schenn has been useful as a partner for Hughes.

If that's all it costs for Brassard and Braun too, Flyers fans can give us a call, we could work something out.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Canucks decline. Value is fine but would rather have physical RHD.

 

[Boondock]

I figured with Juolevi leaving, it left a hole at LD3 behind Hughes and OEL and Dermott does reasonably well in that spot, also can do spot duty at RD...also figured Hamonic was physical and Myers does try to be physical...and clears spot for Woo to potentially join the roster next year.

I appreciate your reasonable dialogue on this though

Your offer was extremely fair, and your analysis pretty on point, but Hamonic has only played 9 games this year due to injury and had some vaccination issues that kept him out of line up prior to that. Schenn has filled that role, and has done so at 1/3 of the cost of Hamonic. #3 LHD could definitely use an upgrade but not at the cost of our current #2 RHD. Woo and Rathbone both seem to be a ways away from the NHL unfortunately so I predict Schenn will play out his contract before we need to make room on our blue line.

Thanks for the discussion, offer was fair to the point of favoring the Canucks if you simply look at the skill level of the players involved. I could also be totally out to lunch and Canuck management might make that deal 10 times out of 10 - ??

 

[Diversification]

I think you have that backwards. The Canucks give up the 5th and get a 7th. It would be a down grade of a pick for the Canucks. I will agree the pick value is not the issue.

I see. Even worse. Still a no.

 

[tom leafers]

i would love schenn back. what would it take?

on a side note, my god its been 10 years since he played for toronto

 

[Boondock]

i would love schenn back. what would it take?

on a side note, my god its been 10 years since he played for toronto

before this gets into a back and forth because a Van fan asks for Knies, Schenn's value is probably a 3rd. Schenn's value to the Canucks is a guy that plays well with Hughes and allows him to roam around the ice. At $850k for this season and next, I think the deal would need to be "something you can't refuse" - which would not make sense for the Leafs.

 

[notsocommonsense]

i would love schenn back. what would it take?

on a side note, my god its been 10 years since he played for toronto

It would take a big overpayment that the Leafs wouldn’t be willing to pay. Schenn is a great fit for us right now and he and Hughes compliment each other perfectly. As mentioned, Schenn’s physicality and willingness to stand up for mates prob increases his value to us more than to most teams as we don’t have a lot of players beyond him in that mold.

Value in the OP is perfectly reasonable and prob even favours Van but given the fit outlined above, it just doesn’t make sense for us.

 

[captainpaxil]

Eat?

He's not a cap dump...basically just gives you a bottom 4 defenseman for 2M for next year and at worst, you flip him for another 3rd-5th depending how he performs for you. If Sanheim is eating your match up minutes, you could put them together as that's a similar role that he's played with Muzzin.

I'd look at equivalent value of receiving 2 3rds for Braun and Brassard

For us he's salary to make the deal work if not quite a dump. There's no value in holl.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why did you choose to make Toronto worse?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Why did you choose to make Toronto worse?

We have different ideas of how a team is constructed.

I don't like the idea of doing blockbuster trade proposals on here...better to let those simply play out.

This was small ball type moves, not moving 1sts or top prospects.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We have different ideas of how a team is constructed.

I don't like the idea of doing blockbuster trade proposals on here...better to let those simply play out.

This was small ball type moves, not moving 1sts or top prospects.

Small ball or not the team is still worse

Dermott is better than Schenn.

Braun might be better than Hol maybe but Braun shouldn't cost you a roster player.

Adding Schenn would be fine but not for Dermott.

Adding Braun would be good he should be a target but that doesn't need to cost Holl.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Small ball or not the team is still worse

Dermott is better than Schenn.

Braun might be better than Hol maybe but Braun shouldn't cost you a roster player.

Adding Schenn would be fine but not for Dermott.

Adding Braun would be good he should be a target but that doesn't need to cost Holl.

I disagree on it being worse, I am trying to change the complexion in preparation for the playoffs.

Feel free to make your own threads with trades though, it's a free country...maybe.

 

[Hoglander]

Schenn is actually better than Dermott. His numbers are better, while being on a worse team, plus he's bigger and tougher, while getting paid almost 1/2 as much. Easy no from Van.

 

[biturbo19]

Really not the sort of deal that makes any sense for the Canucks. They're not in a position to be "downgrading" picks, in exchange for totally unproven players they really don't need. I get that Dermott is a lot younger and thus vested with "potential" still, but honestly...he hasn't realized it yet in a situation that seems ripe for it. He's not going to get there in Vancouver. Schenn has also been pretty okay in Vancouver for what he is, his pricetag, and what he's expected to do.

If we cut the draft picks and just called it a straight Schenn for Dermott swap, i'd think about it. On the gamble of Dermott actually becoming something. But Dermott is low on the priority list of pieces Vancouver needs, even if he pans out like so many Leafs fans were convinced he would.

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

Luke Schenn finally learned how to play hockey? good to hear. I thought he was running a vaccuum store

 

[ER89]

Leafs fans been pushing Holl and Dermott for like 3 seasons now
they're kinda useful, midcareer D guys, like ~100 other established but easily-replaceable NHL D

to fill specific holes in their intend-to-contend lineup, maybe Leafs fans could try offering something that hurts a little to send out?

When the prize is schenn, I'd rather not pay something that hurt.

 

[Canuck86]

We like Schenn
No thanks.

Only way I trade Schenn this season is if a team offers up a 1st round pick for him

 

[Canuck86]

Luke Schenn finally learned how to play hockey? good to hear. I thought he was running a vaccuum store

What a stupid post...Schenn has carved out a lengthy NHL career and has 2 Stanley Cup rings to ALSO show for it. The guy is a great fit in Vancouver and unless a team offers a 1st round pick you just DON'T trade Schenn this season, too valuable to the team!

 

[elitepete]

So these aren't blockbusters but here we go;

1st deal

Vancouver gets;

Travis Dermott
2022 7th

Toronto gets;

Luke Schenn
2022 5th

2nd deal

Philadelphia gets;

2023 3rd
Justin Holl

Toronto gets;

Derick Brassard
Justin Braun

Canucks are looking to add picks, not subtract.

We like Schenn but are willing to trade him. If you want him, offer a mid round pick. Dermott is of no interest.

 

[elitepete]

Think the disagreement on the VAN/TOR trade means I got the value right

Does that really matter if the trade makes zero sense for the other side?

 

[glenbuis]

Leafs fans been pushing Holl and Dermott for like 3 seasons now
they're kinda useful, midcareer D guys, like ~100 other established but easily-replaceable NHL D

to fill specific holes in their intend-to-contend lineup, maybe Leafs fans could try offering something that hurts a little to send out?

yeah dermott and ritchie are mentioned in an awful lot of deals

 

[seanlinden]

Small ball or not the team is still worse

Dermott is better than Schenn.

Braun might be better than Hol maybe but Braun shouldn't cost you a roster player.

Adding Schenn would be fine but not for Dermott.

Adding Braun would be good he should be a target but that doesn't need to cost Holl.

The Leafs need to find a way to shed about $500k in cap to be able to bring Ritchie, or a theoretical replacement upgrade forward, off the taxi-squad.

Travis Dermott, who's being used interchangeably with Sandin & Liljegren at $1.5m would be a very logical place to do it. Additionally, I'd imagine that the Leafs do want to replace Bogosian, and get somebody with a little bit of toughness that can be inserted into the lineup.

That being said, I think there are too many moving pieces in these 2 deals. With Holl, there's a lot to like about his fit with Sandin on a #3 pair, and he has shown great chemistry in the past with Muzzin on a #2 pair.

They'd probably be looking to swap out 1 defenceman -- with the guy going out being Dermott, and the guy coming in being somebody like Schenn, Braun, Bortuzzo, Mayfield.... not because these guys are better defencemen, but because these guys bring elements to their game that the Leafs blueline doesn't really have an abundance of.

In order of preference, I'd imagine that it would go Mayfield, Braun (assuming salary retention), Schenn, Bortuzzo; but can certainly see Schenn jumping Braun if Philly isn't willing to retain on Braun.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The Leafs need to find a way to shed about $500k in cap to be able to bring Ritchie, or a theoretical replacement upgrade forward, off the taxi-squad.

Travis Dermott, who's being used interchangeably with Sandin & Liljegren at $1.5m would be a very logical place to do it. Additionally, I'd imagine that the Leafs do want to replace Bogosian, and get somebody with a little bit of toughness that can be inserted into the lineup.

That being said, I think there are too many moving pieces in these 2 deals. With Holl, there's a lot to like about his fit with Sandin on a #3 pair, and he has shown great chemistry in the past with Muzzin on a #2 pair.

They'd probably be looking to swap out 1 defenceman -- with the guy going out being Dermott, and the guy coming in being somebody like Schenn, Braun, Bortuzzo, Mayfield.... not because these guys are better defencemen, but because these guys bring elements to their game that the Leafs blueline doesn't really have an abundance of.

In order of preference, I'd imagine that it would go Mayfield, Braun (assuming salary retention), Schenn, Bortuzzo; but can certainly see Schenn jumping Braun if Philly isn't willing to retain on Braun.

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