Proposal: Tor-tb

[CanadienShark]

he has a NMC. if he refused to waive for not wanting to go to vegas, TB would lose 1 of Killorn,Drouin,Palat

Then why would he waive for Toronto?

 

[Dustin]

People brought up some good points as to why Flip wouldn't want to come here but there is also the fact that we would be looking to move him again either this TDL or next. So on top of all of the other stuff does Flip also want to be traded again in a year? Doubtful.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Now way would Filppula waive his NMC for Toronto, He hates Babcock with a passion he doesn't like Babs besides i more or less see Filppula wanting to go to a cup team and that's not Toronto yet.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Flip left Detroit to get away from Babcock. No way this happens.

Exactly Soup, Filppula to Toronto isn't happening for this very reason.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Yeah I'm sure Filps will waive his NMC to go from a contender and living in Florida to one of the worst teams in the league and playing for that POS Babcock.

 

[nbwingsfan]

so the logic here is that, because we finished in last place last year, we're destined to repeat as the last place team this year...or that the moniker "bottom dwellers" is to be used in perpetuity regardless of results?

When the "results" are over 13 games when you finished last in the previous season then yes bottom dwellers seems about right. It's not like you've ever been projected as good this season.

 

[dirty stanchion]

There's some passive-aggresive Habs fans going HAM in this thread

I think we get the general sentiment. You can stand down now.

 

[Omac13]

Toronto is not going to trade Bozak for a similar player Older version in Valtteri Filppula.

Bozak to a contending team come Trade Deadline is something that might happen but it will be based around picks / prospects and maybe a cap dump with a 1 year deal(eric brewer type)

 

[Randy Randerson]

When the "results" are over 13 games when you finished last in the previous season then yes bottom dwellers seems about right. It's not like you've ever been projected as good this season.

not sure why you put the word results in quotation marks, they're not hypothetical

at what point to this seasons results bear relevance....20% of the way through the season, 30%, 40%?

not expecting this team to be good, but I'd be surprised if we were bottom 5

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I'd do it to shed the NMC and I don't think Bozak hurts us (honestly haven't kept up with him too much), but it's doubtful Flip waives for Toronto.

 

[TML1967]

Agreed. I don't think a 2nd rounder will make a big difference for the Leafs. They're stocked with good young prospects. Moving Bozak for Filppula would be detrimental.

Could not disagree more.

If your a rebuilding team and have (Like the Leafs) a few 2b/3A Centres, making a move to get more 2nd round picks or prospects is a huge win.

No one expects us to win this year in reality. If we come even close to the playoffs it will be a small miracle. Kadri/Bozak/Holland/Komarov are all IMO interchangeable this year.

2nd round picks are where you usually find 1st round potential guys with one issue that you think you can fix. Look at how many D men come from the 2nd round or latter, same as goalies.

If the Leafs can move a middle 6 guy for good picks, I say do it.
The middle 6 is easy to find in free agency, and we have allot of guys on the Marlies who are looking to take their jobs next year.

 

[CanadienShark]

Could not disagree more.

If your a rebuilding team and have (Like the Leafs) a few 2b/3A Centres, making a move to get more 2nd round picks or prospects is a huge win.

No one expects us to win this year in reality. If we come even close to the playoffs it will be a small miracle. Kadri/Bozak/Holland/Komarov are all IMO interchangeable this year.

2nd round picks are where you usually find 1st round potential guys with one issue that you think you can fix. Look at how many D men come from the 2nd round or latter, same as goalies.

If the Leafs can move a middle 6 guy for good picks, I say do it.
The middle 6 is easy to find in free agency, and we have allot of guys on the Marlies who are looking to take their jobs next year.

Even 1st round picks are generally not really guarantees. 2nd round picks even less so. Bozak is a sure thing. He can stick around and provide a positive impact now and long term. He's a guy that you can basically throw to the wolves and he'll perform alright. He's a good support guy.

 

[TML1967]

Even 1st round picks are generally not really guarantees. 2nd round picks even less so. Bozak is a sure thing. He can stick around and provide a positive impact now and long term. He's a guy that you can basically throw to the wolves and he'll perform alright. He's a good support guy.

Couldnt agree more! Bozak has been a good soldier on allot of bad teams. He has played with everyone we have asked and (it seems) like he hasn't really complained (that weve seen). I just dont think he plays the style we need anymore.

Saying that, I do think him as a 3C is really not helpful long term.
Babbs has shown he like Matthews-Kadri as the 1-2 punch down the middle right now.

I think for a 3C, Leafs may be better off going with a UFA like Hanzal, Berglund type on a 2 or so year deal, around what Bozzy makes now (4.2).

Someone who can play more of a strong D game. My preference is Hanzal who I think would be the perfect fit.
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Why make the trade now? I dont think it will be a major drop down having eith Holland or Laich in for Bozak on the third line this year.
I dont see us finishing with much more than a PPG, so drafting #9/10. If we can add another 2nd round pick + a decent prospect id be all over it for Bozak.

This would give the Leafs 3 second round picks, which I predict will have allot of value when the season is over and people start looking to find value in players they may loose to Las Vegas.

 

[nbwingsfan]

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not sure why you put the word results in quotation marks, they're not hypothetical

at what point to this seasons results bear relevance....20% of the way through the season, 30%, 40%?

not expecting this team to be good, but I'd be surprised if we were bottom 5

Currently last in the division, 3 points from last in the league, and two points from 2nd in the division. Yeah its way too early to not call them bottom dwellers after last season.

 

[Halla]

Why does Toronto need a shakeup? They are exactly where they plan to be. They need another top 10 pick. Stay the course. Why help Tampa Bay out of their expansion problems? Keep Bozak and ride the season out.

when i say shakeup im not talking about anyone who has a future with this team. bozak wont be a leaf beyond next year

 

[Randy Randerson]

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Currently last in the division, 3 points from last in the league, and two points from 2nd in the division. Yeah its way too early to not call them bottom dwellers after last season.

So the elements of the standings that make them look bad are allowed, but the fact that they're not in the bottom 3rd of the overall standings is irrelevant?

obvious anti-leafs bias is obvious

Also a top 10 CF% team, and 2nd last in sv%, 3rd last in PDO

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

to TB: Tyler Bozak (4.2per, UFA in 2018)

to TOR: Valterri Filppula (5per, UFA in 2018), 2nd rd in 2017

Toronto gets a shakeup, and hopes Filppula can develop chemistry with
Komarov and or/ Kapanen. They get an extra pick because bozak has been more productive of late, and is cheaper and younger. The key to the deal for TB though is shedding the NMC of Filppulla. They get a solid #2-3C that has a career 0.62ppg pace, who should be good for 47-49pts or so. In this scenario they don't have to risk losing killorn to vegas

Why exactly does the youngest team in the NHL who has won 3 of 4 need a shakeup? And why would we want Filppula considering Willie is playing out of postion.

Not very well thought out to be honest

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

Even 1st round picks are generally not really guarantees. 2nd round picks even less so. Bozak is a sure thing. He can stick around and provide a positive impact now and long term. He's a guy that you can basically throw to the wolves and he'll perform alright. He's a good support guy.

Exactly, the best you can hope for is a Bozak type of player in the 60 or so slot.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Shakeup? C'mon. Look how well Bozak has played and helped Marner. And Filluppa has a NMC for a Cup contender. He's not coming to the Leafs. And besides, a terrible trade for the Leafs.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

He'll also lose a significant amount of $$ to taxes if he gets traded to TO, I highly doubt he would waive his NMC to come here.

No, not really. Learn something about corporate tax law, before spewing the same crap that lazy reporters write in meaningless articles.

Lose a significant of $$ to taxes....Just isn't true, between Canada and US.

 

[tjs*]

If he can't be traded Filppula is a buyout candidate this summer; despite having a lower salary Bozak's buyout hit is significantly worse. In short this is an awful deal for the Lightning and there's no chance in hell we do it.

 

[Rschmitz]

Probably will see Yzerman deal a tradeable asset like Garrison or Johnson instead of second straight offseason buyout

 

[Halla]

Why exactly does the youngest team in the NHL who has won 3 of 4 need a shakeup? And why would we want Filppula considering Willie is playing out of postion.

Not very well thought out to be honest

the youngest team that just lost 7-0 to the kings. and its not a real shakeup, its moving a vet for another vet. dont make it seem like im offering up anyone who has a future with the team.

the leafs probably have no intention of willie at C this year.
the thinking behind it is we get filppulla and a 2nd. we deal filppula (retained) for another 2nd or something next year at the deadline. that opens up the spot for willy. Bozak out, a pair of 2nds in. Matthews,Nylander,Kadri and Gauthier as our C.

this thread was more thought out than your generic response

 

[DFC]

If he can't be traded Filppula is a buyout candidate this summer; despite having a lower salary Bozak's buyout hit is significantly worse. In short this is an awful deal for the Lightning and there's no chance in hell we do it.

Probably will see Yzerman deal a tradeable asset like Garrison or Johnson instead of second straight offseason buyout

I think there's a very good chance that Filppula will be tradeable once the expansion draft is over and teams aren't freaking out about their protected list.

Yeah, it's only 14 games, but Flip has looked pretty great. He might actually be living up to his salary right now, and his contract will be in its final year after the expansion draft.

 

[nbwingsfan]

So the elements of the standings that make them look bad are allowed, but the fact that they're not in the bottom 3rd of the overall standings is irrelevant?

obvious anti-leafs bias is obvious

Also a top 10 CF% team, and 2nd last in sv%, 3rd last in PDO

They're last in the division... again, after finishing last in the previous season. Until proven otherwise they're a bottom dwelling team.