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I think the Leafs will win before you have an accurate assessment of the team. You have been wrong so far.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] T.J. Brodie signs with the Maple Leafs (4 years, $5M AAV)
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The team has improved under Dubas in everything except goaltending, and goaltending has more to do with 2017-2018 being unnaturally inflated by a 35+ journeyman backup waiver claim fluking into vezina-quality play over a small sample than anything Dubas has done. Going into next year, the quality, competition, and depth for all three positions is improved. They are not further away from their goal.
There hasn't been bad asset management, and skill is the primary driver behind most cups. The only false narratives here are you thinking that there is a specific formula to winning a cup, and you thinking that Dubas has one-way thinking and is trying to reinvent something. Neither are true.
That statement just guarantees that you didn't watch them in the playoffs.
Schneider would have been a questionable pick at 15, and would have been years away from joining the team. You don't draft based on immediate needs; you draft based on BPA. Amirov is a great pick, doing very well, and he is not even close to a "soft, offensive player".
he’s technically not wrong. he WAS one of the best 25 players we had in the playoffs
FerrisRox
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If you are expecting a lot of physicality from Bogosian, I think you are going to be greatly disappointed.
I have seen Leaf fans repeatedly list him as being part of the "answer" to how soft the Leafs are and I suspect these fans aren't very familiar with Bogosian's play. Bogosian and Ceci are very similar in this regard. Both are big bodied blueliners that can play with a little aggression, but if you are expecting a blue liner thats going to make you think twice about standing in front of the net or going into the corners you are going to be disappointed.
FerrisRox
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He absolutely was not. He was largely ineffective and actually took a couple of really stupid penalties. Six forwards on the Maple Leafs outscored him.
FerrisRox
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Goaltending and the shootout are the only things that have not improved since pre-Dubas, and that really has little to do with the actions of Dubas, and more to do with the abnormal overachievement experienced in those two specific things in 2017-2018. Playoff performance under Dubas has been better than pre-Dubas as well.
LOL what
I love Kappy, but he was nothing more than a 3rd liner. He didn't get the time he deserved because he's playing behind Marner/Nylander. We got an absolute steal for him from Pittsburgh and pretty much all of HF including Pens fans are in agreement with that. Shed salary + add assets. As much as I wanted Schneider he wouldn't be anywhere near his peak for at least 4 years, closer to 7 years. We are trying to build a contender now. What our needs will be in 4-7 years is something we don't know yet. Amirov looks promising, but the idea that Schneider would immediately help this team is laughable.
I dont want you guys to think Iam hating on the Leafs because Iam not...The Leafs have the skill to win,but their management has not valued anything else except for guys that can put the puck in the net...
Take a look at how Pittsburgh has done it,their defense wasnt anything to write home about...Their defense came from their forwards,fast high energy forwards that worked in all 3 zones and maintained puck possession...Braced by some elite talent at center ...
Take a look at how Pittsburgh has done it,their defense wasnt anything to write home about...Their defense came from their forwards,fast high energy forwards that worked in all 3 zones and maintained puck possession...Braced by some elite talent at center ...
Habs Halifax
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I don't think the Leafs should be trying to copy cat the Pens model of winning cups. How's that working out so far?
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Kapanen, and his single even strength point was one of the Leaf's best players in the playoffs? Maybe it was his near the team bottom possession numbers you liked? Kapanen was a player that I liked, but this was a cap move that was needed to be made... it was, and we came out quite well from the trade, thanks.
I really like Schneider, and truth be told, I had hoped at points, that the Leafs would find a way, to get another pick and draft him. But, 15 was too early, and you always draft for BPA, not for need... most educated fans know, always draft for BPA, and worry about positions later..unless of course, you rank two guys evenly, and one is in a position of need. As it stands, Schneider will be 4-7 years away, from being able to contribute, in the manner that the Leafs need a RHD NOW.
Umm. They won in 2015-16 and 2016-17. So...pretty good?
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Go ahead and laugh but Andersson WILL be a solid replacement for TJ on the first line and many fans will be wishing he played for their team... if they aren't already. The guy's a stud and is the Flames top RD on the team.
These are the exact same claims you made last off season/beginning or last season and yet the leafs still did not improve in the standings. Do I like Brodie more than Barrie? 100%, but let’s not act like the majority of leaf fans had the same reaction when the traded for Barrie. Also let’s not act like Barrie is now someone some barely NHL caliber player. There is an upgrade from Barrie to Brodie, but it’s not that large, and only if Brodie is capable of the same type of play away from Gio which is a valid concern.
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Relax junior, it’s just a post.
Andersson is not a #2 defencemen on any team. Your cherry picked 10 game sample size will never disprove that.
As for the thread, losing Brodie is a huge L only on the Flames because of playing with gio. Brodie on the leafs will not be as good because there is no one on the leafs as good as gio.
Habs Halifax
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Time will tell. You may have a different opinion at the end of the upcoming season... or maybe I will. However I like my odds because I suspect I've watched Andersson play a hell of a lot more than you have.
We did have better depth last year, which is why our metrics didn't plummet despite massive and constant injuries. The Leafs did not improve in the standings primarily because of goaltending getting worse, and I didn't say last year was the best goaltending depth.
Barrie is a better defenseman than he was in Toronto, and Barrie in Toronto was a better defenseman than many people claim. Brodie will be coming in and playing in a role that is more similar to the one he had on his previous team, likely with a similar type player, so there is greater reason to believe that will transfer better. I'm not sure why Leaf fans should go in with less than expectations of average performance from their players.
Where exactly did I say anything close to this?
The upgrade from Barrie to Brodie in terms of impact for the Leafs is likely bigger than the upgrade from Barrie to Brodie in terms of quality of player, but Barrie to Brodie is not the only improvement to the defense and it's depth and potential upside.
Oilers Propagandist
Relax junior, it’s just a post.
I guarantee I watched almost the same amount of Flames games as you, only time I miss a flames game is when they compete with Oilers games or when I go to the bar. Andersson is a very tuff guy who would be a solid #4 on a cup contending team. Not a #2.
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I guess we shall see. Btw.. he's a solid 6'1" 214 lbs who can hold his own.
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