Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[LeafChief]

Well shanahan did admit that we have been regressing under dubas so maybe he is aware that others are smarter and more experienced than dubas?

Either way, this is dubas' last season as a leaf gm unless we actually start improving.

Less points each season, more goals agaisnt each year, couldnt even beat our own 40 y.o. emergency back up, lost to columbus in the qualifiers, etc.

Results >> anything else.

 

[Garthinater]

I didn't realize it took having a crystal ball to see that we have been getting worse under dubas.

It also shouldn't take a mystic to understand that the nhl is a results based business and duabs has failed miserably so far.

How do you inherit a 105 point team with so much promise and cap space but have nothing to show for it after 2 years?

Losing to columbus, who were missing their best player (breadman), top 2 center (duchene) and starting goalie (bob) really highlighted how badly dubas has damaged this team.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

I didn't realize it took having a crystal ball to see that we have been getting worse under dubas.

It also shouldn't take a mystic to understand that the nhl is a results based business and duabs has failed miserably so far.

How do you inherit a 105 point team with so much promise and cap space but have nothing to show for it after 2 years?

Losing to columbus, who were missing their best player (breadman), top 2 center (duchene) and starting goalie (bob) really highlighted how badly dubas has damaged this team.

We won 0 playoff series under Lou. That 105 point team was blessed with incredible health. Under Keefe, Leafs last year were on a 103 point pace with both Rielly and Muzzin out at the same time for weeks along with so many other injuries.
Perspective my friend. This organization is in great shape. The prospect pool under Dubas looks fantastic given the lack of high picks. He's destroying Mark Hunter at drafting (Is he ever going to get another NHL job btw?)
Why don't the Leafs get the same luxury as Washington and Tampa in terms of taking time to win and having ups and downs after a rebuild?

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

Well shanahan did admit that we have been regressing under dubas so maybe he is aware that others are smarter and more experienced than dubas?

Either way, this is dubas' last season as a leaf gm unless we actually start improving.

Less points each season, more goals agaisnt each year, couldnt even beat our own 40 y.o. emergency back up, lost to columbus in the qualifiers, etc.

Results >> anything else.

Shanahan, unlike you puts things into perspective. 103 points under Keefe with all those injuries. Dubas has been GM only 2 years, one of which was with COVID. He's not getting fired LOL

 

[LeafChief]

I didn't realize it took having a crystal ball to see that we have been getting worse under dubas.

It also shouldn't take a mystic to understand that the nhl is a results based business and duabs has failed miserably so far.

How do you inherit a 105 point team with so much promise and cap space but have nothing to show for it after 2 years?

Losing to columbus, who were missing their best player (breadman), top 2 center (duchene) and starting goalie (bob) really highlighted how badly dubas has damaged this team.

The 105 point team had the benefit of Mcilhinney coming out of nowhere and putting up wins. A competent back-up last year and the team (who underperformed) outdoes that 105 point season.

But anyways if we're going to suggest that Columbus was missing players that weren't on the team all year, the Leafs were missing Kadri, Gardiner, van Riemsdyk and Kessel so I guess it evens out. Keon too.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

How come the Jets have had the same GM for almost a decade and there's no calls to fire him>? And he only "Won rounds" after year 6...
I get the Leafs have a bigger fambase, but that does not mean you give them less time than anyone else.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

The 105 point team had the benefit of Mcilhinney coming out of nowhere and putting up wins. A competent back-up last year and the team (who underperformed) outdoes that 105 point season.

But anyways if we're going to suggest that Columbus was missing players that weren't on the team all year, the Leafs were missing Kadri, Gardiner, van Riemsdyk and Kessel so I guess it evens out. Keon too.

They were the 2nd healthiest team in the NHL that season. Why people can't look at the polar opposite situation of Keefe getting a 103 point pace with so many injuries and horrific goaltending and look at that as a positive I have no idea.

Horrific goaltending, Horrific injuries, 103 point pace under Sheldon Keefe. How is that being ignored?

 

[The Iceman]

Well shanahan did admit that we have been regressing under dubas so maybe he is aware that others are smarter and more experienced than dubas?

Either way, this is dubas' last season as a leaf gm unless we actually start improving.

Less points each season, more goals agaisnt each year, couldnt even beat our own 40 y.o. emergency back up, lost to columbus in the qualifiers, etc.

Results >> anything else.

Shanny said the team is regressing under Dubas? Or regressing as a team? Would like to see that quote.

Last season for Dubas if the team doesn't improve? Lets say Matthews, Tavares, Reilly, Marner were lost to the team because of injury, and the team doesn't improve due to obvious reasons...still GMs fault?

Dubas has been the GM for 2 seasons, he was handed a very good 105 point team. I think you will see that the team has addressed its greatest need. Depth on defense.And you must admit the team now seems to be a desirable destination for FA players both from the NHL and Russia. You could not say that a few years ago.
If you have a young smart GM you do not dump him after 2 seasons.
Enjoy the ride and vision for the next 5 years and beyond

 

[The Iceman]

I didn't realize it took having a crystal ball to see that we have been getting worse under dubas.

It also shouldn't take a mystic to understand that the nhl is a results based business and duabs has failed miserably so far.

How do you inherit a 105 point team with so much promise and cap space but have nothing to show for it after 2 years?

Losing to columbus, who were missing their best player (breadman), top 2 center (duchene) and starting goalie (bob) really highlighted how badly dubas has damaged this team.

Columbus also gave TB fits in the next round.
And I have never seen the previous years players referenced before as missing players. Very original.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The 105 point team had the benefit of Mcilhinney coming out of nowhere and putting up wins. A competent back-up last year and the team (who underperformed) outdoes that 105 point season.

But anyways if we're going to suggest that Columbus was missing players that weren't on the team all year, the Leafs were missing Kadri, Gardiner, van Riemsdyk and Kessel so I guess it evens out. Keon too.

They also racked up a bunch of points off of Shootout Wins. Not exactly the most sustainable form of success.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I heard someone refer to Kasperi Kapanen as the next Michael Grabner this past week as an all wheels, multiple breakaway no scoring touch player, and I think that's appropriate. I don't think he'll really be missed too much when we're replacing him with a high IQ third line center candidate and a high end, high skill winger like Amirov. We got younger, deeper, cheaper and better.

True dat

 

[darrylsittler27]

It must be frustrating for you, that Shanahan doesn't realize how much smarter and more experienced you are than Dubas. Guess you should be the president too.

That's weak. Almost pathetic. I have digital records of me saying this would happen based on softness. Then I said he did a very good job this offseason. I have a great deal more confidence in this year's team. But yeah ,I called it a year ago. You are right, it is a blessing.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Ps I have watched Liverpool FC all my life. You can smell egg, and you can smell winner. Liverpool went 54 games without a loss. They win everything. Last year's Leaf team was a shadow of this year's team.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I think Shanahan ripped into Dubas and woke him up. He played in the cup, it's a team sport but it can't all be flash in the Stanley.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Well I think the Moneyball theory got set on fire, by Shanny. Good move.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

That's weak. Almost pathetic. I have digital records of me saying this would happen based on softness. Then I said he did a very good job this offseason. I have a great deal more confidence in this year's team. But yeah ,I called it a year ago. You are right, it is a blessing.

Yet it did not happen due to softness.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

That's weak. Almost pathetic. I have digital records of me saying this would happen based on softness. Then I said he did a very good job this offseason. I have a great deal more confidence in this year's team. But yeah ,I called it a year ago. You are right, it is a blessing.

Ps I have watched Liverpool FC all my life. You can smell egg, and you can smell winner. Liverpool went 54 games without a loss. They win everything. Last year's Leaf team was a shadow of this year's team.

I think Shanahan ripped into Dubas and woke him up. He played in the cup, it's a team sport but it can't all be flash in the Stanley.

Well I think the Moneyball theory got set on fire, by Shanny. Good move.

This isn't Twitter, there's no character limit.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Yet it did not happen due to softness.

Exactly. Glad you admit that, now let's move on, cause this team ain't soft.

" We need to get a lot harder to play against."

 

[darrylsittler27]

This isn't Twitter, there's no character limit.

Yeah but they do prefer to skip to what they like and skip points they dont. I still think my blurb got misrepresented. Last year Dubas made some mistakes, this year he did a good job trying to fix it. Getting Amirov Helped. We aren't a team that can just throw picks away..yet.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Exactly. Glad you admit that, now let's move on, cause this team ain't soft.

" We need to get a lot harder to play against."

Perhaps I was not clear. I can see the room for misinterpretation.

They did not fail because of softness. They failed because of other things.

Wanting to be harder to play against does not mean you are soft. All teams want to be harder to play against, but that takes form in a variety of ways. The defensive unit improved, they added more well-rounded guys who fit into the cap, and they added size in the exact way they always said they would. Physicality and toughness is just one of many ways, and while the Leafs added Simmonds, Bogosian and Vesey, the team identity is not any different. Just like Tampa's very similar team identity did not change when they replaced some of their unskilled toughness with more skilled toughness.

 

[darrylsittler27]

So good, you admit Dubas added depth, grit, character, veterans, defense , goaltending and a far less one dimensional team. I agree with you.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So good, you admit Dubas added depth, grit, character, veterans, defense , goaltending and a far less one dimensional team. I agree with you.

You mean he did his job? Just like he had done in the past? One would hope he continuously finds ways to improve the team.

You described things he did last offseason, and the offseason before. Both of which were successful in themselves. I guess it is refreshing that he will do things to try and make the team better, which is not something every GM can say, but it should not really come as a surprise when you have a higher quality GM.

I don't really know if you even have a point. If it is that Dubas should not be a good GM, then I guess you will just be disappointed.

 

[darrylsittler27]

This team is much better than last year's.

 

[ottomaddox]

Shanahan, unlike you puts things into perspective. 103 points under Keefe with all those injuries. Dubas has been GM only 2 years, one of which was with COVID. He's not getting fired LOL

The pace of a thing does not does not determine the winning or the best results. This "103 point pace" is so phony. It's like no one remembers how badly TOR was playing near the end of the season. If the 82 game season were to play through TOR would have likely not made the playoffs.

Keeping Babcock around to start the season, and not having a respectable nhl back up goalie is on Dubas. I don't think Keefe is a bad coach, but the team eventually started to play .500 hockey.

 

[ACC1224]

This team is much better than last year's.

That’s certainly the hope.