Confirmed Trade: [TOR/PHI] Scott Laughton (50% retained), 4th round pick, 6th round pick for Nikita Grebenkin, cond. 2027 1st round pick

[EquivalentStay]

Well first of all if you read my actual post I have said almost impossible.

But to answer the question I would be comfortable giving up the 26th overall pick for most players.

I mean I'm not going to give that up for say Ryan Reaves because Ryan Reaves is not a regular NHL player, he's not capable of playing everyday.

But if you asked me would I give up 26th overall for Ryan Danoto, or Kyle Palmeri, or JG Pageau.

If a player with those skkill sets were available yeah I would.

Because that player makes me better now.

That 26th overall pick doesn't make me better now and there probably at least 50% chance he never will.

Do you know what the word impossible means? I don't think you do.

 

[ijuka]

I get it if you’re in a sellers market for a guy with some sort of standout trait like a Nick Paul or a prime Grabner/Hagelin that gives your bottom 6 a completely different look. A different flavor of average is never worth it.

If you're in a sellers' market, then don't buy. That 4th liner will more than likely not tilt the scales anyway, and the 1st round pick will be far more valuable. If you really hate it, you can use it during the draft for far better return, for example.

Now, Laughton's metrics probably are unsustainably bad, so he probably won't end up being this bad. But it's quite clear that he's not going to be worth the price paid unless something drastically changes.

 

[newsportsfan123]

No you cant, you dont have a crystal ball, would you have passed on drafting Amirov because he would pass away?
putting up big numbers in jr doesnt always result in good players either, fact is most bust and I HIGHLY doubt you would be this draft guru,

I take part a dynasty draft and we do our draft before the NHL does and I have heard many just like you before and guess what you look back at their 5 year draft history and most never even get a single game.

its not easy to just pick NHLers at really any point in the draft, around 15-20 is where it starts to turn into a crapshoot and the odds get worse the further you go

No I wouldn't pass on Amirov, mainly because he had good numbers in the MHL, he had a high chance of becoming a productive player. I gave you an example of the WHL and even showed you a picture of the most productive u18 seasons. Most of the people who put up points on the stat sheet in the WHL end up as NHLers. I'll write it out for you understand using points and points per game (using the last 10 years).

1. Bedard: 143 points (2.51)
2. McKenna ('26): 121 points (2.24)
3. Guenther: 24 points (2 , COVID season)
4. Cristall ('23): 95 points (1.76)
5. Catton ('24): 116 points (1.71)
6. Jarvis: 98 points (1.69)
7. Stankoven: 10 points (1.67, COVID season)
8. Benson: 98 points (1.63)
9. Kindel ('25): 98 points (1.56)
10. Parscak ('24): 105 points (1.54)
11. Reschny ('25): 92 points (1.48)
12. Lindstrom ('24): 46 points (1.44)
13. Heidt ('23): 97 points (1.43)
14. Patrick: 102 points (1.42)
15. Savoie: 90 points (1.38)

44.6% of the top 15 u18 producers the WHL for the last 10 years have played NHL games. Yes, it's a crapshoot, but at the end of the day a lot of GMs overcomplicate things. I am no draft guru but I bet this is how the Hurricanes draft.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

No I wouldn't pass on Amirov, mainly because he had good numbers in the MHL, he had a high chance of becoming a productive player. I gave you an example of the WHL and even showed you a picture of the most productive u18 seasons. Most of the people who put up points on the stat sheet in the WHL end up as NHLers. I'll write it out for you understand using points and points per game (using the last 10 years).

1. Bedard: 143 points (2.51)
2. McKenna ('26): 121 points (2.24)
3. Guenther: 24 points (2 , COVID season)
4. Cristall ('23): 95 points (1.76)
5. Catton ('24): 116 points (1.71)
6. Jarvis: 98 points (1.69)
7. Stankoven: 10 points (1.67, COVID season)
8. Benson: 98 points (1.63)
9. Kindel ('25): 98 points (1.56)
10. Parscak ('24): 105 points (1.54)
11. Reschny ('25): 92 points (1.48)
12. Lindstrom ('24): 46 points (1.44)
13. Heidt ('23): 97 points (1.43)
14. Patrick: 102 points (1.42)
15. Savoie: 90 points (1.38)

44.6% of the top 15 u18 producers the WHL for the last 10 years have played NHL games. Yes, it's a crapshoot, but at the end of the day a lot of GMs overcomplicate things. I am no draft guru but I bet this is how the Hurricanes draft.

well whatever I dont really care about all of this, Im just saying its not easy to just pick legit NHLers, all you can do is pick who you think is the best player available at the time of the draft, how they develop afterwards is a complete crapshoot as well, some make it, some bust but more bust than make it

 

[Puckstuff]

Have you watched him actually play though? He has been terrible and can you blame people for being upset after the Foligno debacle ?

Let people vent and don’t put yourself on a tier of intelligence above those that think this trade stinks. To me this trade was the wrong one and the wrong player.

I literally stated that Laughton hasn't played well at all, and I didn't even want Laughton; I wanted them to trade for Granlund. But since they made the trade, I'm not going to call it a bust after he's only played 90 minutes. It could very well be a bust, but it just seems early to make that call.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Have a decent playoff showing and it’ll be worth it.

Worst case I expect we can get a 2nd+ 3rd minimum for him next year if he tanks. 1.5M for a glue bottom 6er who teams will value higher because of intangibles.

 

[BallardEra]

He probably scores against the Flyers on Tuesday night.

 

[Leafs87]

There were like 20 trades and only the two leafs ones are still being discussed to highlight how bad everyone thought they were lol

 

[BallardEra]

He actually has zero points in his last 13 games and a -9 over that span if you include his time with Flyers:

 

[Curufinwe]

Frost would have been a much better fit in Toronto. His defensive results the last three seasons have been far better than Laughton.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’m sure there is a psychological component to Laughton’s struggles as well. He’s been in the Flyers system his whole career for over a decade and was considered one of the so called leaders there. These guys are human and I’m sure it’s often not easy to have a drastic change after being established somewhere. Anyway, the Laughton trade will be judged by how the Leafs do in the playoffs. That 1st in 2027 is probably in the 20’s and prospects are far from a sure thing in that range. If you draft a guy in the 20’s and he becomes Laughton you are probably okay with that. Lots of literal who’s have been drafted in the bottom third of the first over the years

 

[FerrisRox]

Worst case I expect we can get a 2nd+ 3rd minimum for him next year if he tanks. 1.5M for a glue bottom 6er who teams will value higher because of intangibles.

What intangibles do you think Scott Laughton has?

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Tre seems like he's not much better at trades than Scooby.

 

[Silky mitts]

Getting outshot 98 to 50 on the ice! His top speed is lower than NHL average speed! Signed for next year!

 

[TheDoldrums]

Getting outshot 98 to 50 on the ice! His top speed is lower than NHL average speed! Signed for next year!

The Berube Leafs are outshot all the time and he's getting buried in defensive starts. Like obviously he hasn't been good but he's also not being put in any position to look good when his most common linemate is Steven Lorentz and he's getting David Kampf like usage for some reason.

This team has Ryan Reaves signed for next year at almost the same AAV, Laughton's contract is not a concern lol. The price given up to acquire him, that's a different story.

 

[Silky mitts]

The Berube Leafs are outshot all the time and he's getting buried in defensive starts. Like obviously he hasn't been good but he's also not being put in any position to look good when his most common linemate is Steven Lorentz and he's getting David Kampf like usage for some reason.

This team has Ryan Reaves signed for next year at almost the same AAV, Laughton's contract is not a concern lol. The price given up to acquire him, that's a different story.

He's killing them 5 on 5 (not that he hasn't on PK), they're being outscored 4.05 to 0.68 per 60 5 on 5 since he got there and outscoring their opponent 2.72 to 1.95, he wouldn't be playing if it weren't for what they gave up which is what it is, cap charge isn't an issue but there will still be pressure to play him next year

 

[HockeyVirus]

Frost would have been a much better fit in Toronto. His defensive results the last three seasons have been far better than Laughton.

We don't want defense we want scoring

 

[HockeyVirus]

The Berube Leafs are outshot all the time and he's getting buried in defensive starts. Like obviously he hasn't been good but he's also not being put in any position to look good when his most common linemate is Steven Lorentz and he's getting David Kampf like usage for some reason.

This team has Ryan Reaves signed for next year at almost the same AAV, Laughton's contract is not a concern lol. The price given up to acquire him, that's a different story.

Yeah that is the other side of this.. He is on the 4th line lol. Berube has said they are trying to get him comfortable and integrated and easing him in on the wing on that line.

Also, none of us care what he does in the regular season. Contribute in the playoff in some way we are happy

 

[Ezpz]

Nelson ha ha.

 

[eramosat]

As a long-term Flyers fan living in Toronto, it's tough to see Laughton both not do well AND get some heat. Not saying it isn't justified...I wish he would help out more. This is a movie Leafs fans have already seen and are very tired of.

It is very strange to see his possession metrics tank so much when compared with his Philly time. He did not have superior linemates there, by any stretch. And that was a team flirting with even reaching .500 hockey. He has +10% more Dee zone starts in 8 games in Toronto, which should not explain the massive possession metrics change.

No points in 8 games? Only 1 Corsi shot on his PK time? Hopefully it will improve after his first 8 games, and demonstrate his ability. But yes, watching him, there has been nothing to comment positively on. Hope he's ok.