Proposal: TOR/NYR Nylander for Geo, Lemieux and ??

[Halla]

by the way the plus here would be Kaako lol

Nylander >>>> Georgiev+Lemieux

 

[bernmeister]

by the way the plus here would be Kaako lol

Nylander >>>> Georgiev+Lemieux

beyond redic
beyond beyond

 

[pan43]

Nylander
Dermott - left side is stacked with Rielly / Muzzin / Sandin - save by not re-signing him.
Holl - free up the 2mill in cap

for

Buchnevich
Andersson
1st(Carolina 24th)

That is insanely bad value for Nylander. I wouldn't trade Nylander for that return alone let alone adding in Dermott and Holl.

I hate the Leafs and will fully admit all these offers being made by NYR are terrible.

- DeAngelo and Lemieux aren't pieces the Leafs want

- Georgie could be of interest depending on what they do with their goaltending but I don’t think he’s a big target

- Fox would be the wish list piece for the Leafs but we get it, he’s not available. Neither is Trouba

Nils Lundkvist HAS to be in the deal in my opinion for the Leafs to give up a young, proven 70+ point winger who’s locked up for a while.

An offer around Nils + Buch would be reasonable. I think adding Georgiev or CAR 1st on top of that is too much though. Maybe a small add as a 3rd piece though.

I haven't read every post in this thread, but this is the comment i most agree with. From what i've read this year about Trouba, he hasn't exactly lived up to his contract. Fox is probably the most important RHD going into the future. I think he will be the most talented of the bunch as well as being super underpaid for the next couple years. He is absolutely untouchable. I think if the Rangers could, they would trade Trouba and let Fox take the lead with DeAngelo playing second fiddle and with Lundkvist waiting in the rains as a top RHD prospect.

This wont happen since there is no way Trouba agrees to be traded. They should be looking to trade DeAngelo but there is no way the Leafs under Dubas will acquire him due to his politics.

I fully agree that Nylander to NYR in exchange for Lundkvist + Buchnevich would be a great base for a deal. I would only be hesitant to due this deal after trading Kap which would leave right wing weak with players who are actually right handed. The whole team (minus Marner and Hyman) plus all our top prospects would all be left handed. I know Mikheyev and Barabanov and even Buchnevich all like to and can play the offwing but i wouldn't want almost the whole left side playing offwing. Hyman is a right wing but i think he plays best on the left side (go figure). Lundkvist is also set to play the year in Sweden next year, so he may not be available to the team until next year. For these reasons i think the Leafs would want Geogiev as well.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Yeah but it’s certainly not a worthless embryo either, right? It’s not like it’s far fetched to believe that Toronto would like to get someone like Brendan Lemieux, that has potential to both be gritty and play in the top 9. It’s a reported fact that Toronto was very interested in Georgiev, but that those talks fell through because Gorton asked for Kapanen PLUS (no idea what Toronto offered, but that they were very interested is widely confirmed). Lias Andersson? Well he isn’t totally worthless. Attach him the value of a 7th rounder or more like what Buff got for Alex Nylander — it doesn’t matter. My estimate what somewhere in between.

In addition, a team that has missed the POs for 3 year now’s 1st round pick in 2021 was included. You never know with those picks as we have seen the last years. But it should at least have the value of a mid 1st round pick.

So if you count really really low the embryo is a 1st and two 2nd round picks. Then it’s left open for everyone to add assets and argue their point, or to declare, you know what, it’s not going to make sense for Toronto. But it’s not like the raw value is impossible to put together.

Georgiev is a back up to them. Lemieux is a 4th liner. Lias has almost no value. So you’re basically telling them that Nylander is worth a couple of picks and some spare parts.

That’s why it’s not good. It’s quantity for quality and then they’re giving up additional assets ON TOP OF Nylander. If I was Dubas, I wouldn’t trade Nylander alone for that, never mind adding Campbell or anything else.

 

[Ola]

Georgiev is a back up to them. Lemieux is a 4th liner. Lias has almost no value. So you’re basically telling them that Nylander is worth a couple of picks and some spare parts.

That’s why it’s not good. It’s quantity for quality and then they’re giving up additional assets ON TOP OF Nylander. If I was Dubas, I wouldn’t trade Nylander alone for that, never mind adding Campbell or anything else.

Lol, I am not. Hint: The bolded underlined part in biggest possible font expressely say that I ask how a reasonable package would look.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don’t agree. Zibanejad can be a top center for us, or he can miss a lot of time the coming years. We don’t know, concussions have been a big issue for him.

Nyls only makes 7m per. Someone like Strome would probably cost 5m long term. Nyls contract is really good if he performs. Nyls should be played at center in NY if they got him.

In addition, Nyls can have not NMC/NTC for another 3 years (or is it 4). We don’t know how things will play out in NY. But no matter what — getting a 22 y/o, you keep every option open.
?

I didn't realize you were suggesting to bring him in as a center. That makes more sense, but I still don't think it's a fit. Nylander is soft as a winger. He's even softer compared to the players he'll go up against if you put him at center.

Thats not what we need. We need a defensive improvement on Strome.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

While I would be interested in something like this:

TML
Nylander
Dremott

NYR
Georgiev
Buchnevich
Lemieux

Provided we can get Georgiev signed to a reasonable deal. 3 x 4years and we already had a deal for Andersen done. Lemieux means we can let Clifford walk and keep our second in 2021.

NYR get a massive upgrade on RW and Dermott is a solid LHD for a team lacking there.

Nylander isn't even a massive upgrade on Buchnevich, and we aren't including Lemieux without a huge overpayment. You won't want to pay what it'll cost to trade for Lemieux.

Try selling Nylander to some other team. We don't need RW's.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Nylander isn't even a massive upgrade on Buchnevich, and we aren't including Lemieux without a huge overpayment. You won't want to pay what it'll cost to trade for Lemieux.

Try selling Nylander to some other team. We don't need RW's.

Getting Nylander for Buch and Lemieux IS a massive overpayment by the Leafs though...

If the Rangers were actually offered Nylander for Buch + Lemieux + Geo they do that 7 days a week and twice on Shabbos

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Getting Nylander for Buch and Lemieux IS a massive overpayment by the Leafs though...

If the Rangers were actually offered Nylander for Buch + Lemieux + Geo they do that 7 days a week and twice on Shabbos

In your opinion, and that wasn’t the whole trade. It doesn’t fit in with our team needs or our salary cap. It’s not important how neutrals view things because with all due respect you aren’t considering our cap situation or team needs. You are looking at things from purely how you rate the players involved.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

In your opinion, and that wasn’t the whole trade. It doesn’t fit in with our team needs or our salary cap. It’s not important how neutrals view things because with all due respect you aren’t considering our cap situation or team needs. You are looking at things from purely how you rate the players involved.

Yeah that’s fine. Maybe it doesn’t work into your cap structure but value wise it’s an absolute steal for the Rangers. If you need to clear cap space you can also do that in another trade too you know...

 

[Mick Jagr]

If the Rangers want Nylander, then start to look at your top end talent of relatively the same age range/potential. What do the Leafs lack that would make them trade Nylander away? Defense. So are you willing to move DeAngelo or Adam Fox? Doubt it. Thats what it would take IMO.

 

[The S5]

Some of the proposals slant in favor of the Rangers from a shear talent perspective, but, why would the Rangers give up Lemieux in any trade proposal? If the goal is winning games, the Rangers need more guys like Lemieux.
While they could use some additional scoring pop from Willie, he is a very soft, mostly perimeter player. These types of players disappear come playoff time.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Nylander isn't even a massive upgrade on Buchnevich, and we aren't including Lemieux without a huge overpayment. You won't want to pay what it'll cost to trade for Lemieux.

Try selling Nylander to some other team. We don't need RW's.

We are not selling Nylander.

 

[bernmeister]

If the Rangers want Nylander, then start to look at your top end talent of relatively the same age range/potential. What do the Leafs lack that would make them trade Nylander away? Defense. So are you willing to move DeAngelo or Adam Fox? Doubt it. Thats what it would take IMO.

Fox is completely off the table.
DeA is on it.

for some time, have pushed some variation of
Buch + DeA and maybe small +
\for
Nyl and moderate +

multiple variations on this theme.

If Leafs prefer to seek scoring elsewhere and pocket Buch's 3.25, we can come to some understanding on some other future, likely a pick, as long as our bluest blue chips, which are elcs we need soon, are not involved.

Deangelo must go b'c we have Nils L and his elc and drft exempt status is needed going forward. So if not to TOR then elsewhere, but b'c he is surplus, DeA must go.

That said, there is ongoing brushback from Leaf fans here, above poster notwithstanding, who are adamant reject of Deangelo.

 

[Future]

Some of the proposals slant in favor of the Rangers from a shear talent perspective, but, why would the Rangers give up Lemieux in any trade proposal? If the goal is winning games, the Rangers need more guys like Lemieux.
While they could use some additional scoring pop from Willie, he is a very soft, mostly perimeter player. These types of players disappear come playoff time.

This confirms my suspicion that people on here around the league don’t have a clue what they’re talking about when it comes to Nylander.

Guys a soft perimeter player, yet he somehow scored 30+ in a shortened season with most of his goals coming from the front of the net. He’s also been one of the Leafs best players in the playoffs 2/4 of the years they’ve made it. Albeit limited sample size.

Stop offering scraps for a guy that just came off a season where he was on pace for 37 goals and 70+ points as a 23 yr old.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Nylander will be top-3 in the NHL in points next season.

#hot take#

 

[Mick Jagr]

Fox is completely off the table.
DeA is on it.

for some time, have pushed some variation of
Buch + DeA and maybe small +
\for
Nyl and moderate +

multiple variations on this theme.

If Leafs prefer to seek scoring elsewhere and pocket Buch's 3.25, we can come to some understanding on some other future, likely a pick, as long as our bluest blue chips, which are elcs we need soon, are not involved.

Deangelo must go b'c we have Nils L and his elc and drft exempt status is needed going forward. So if not to TOR then elsewhere, but b'c he is surplus, DeA must go.

That said, there is ongoing brushback from Leaf fans here, above poster notwithstanding, who are adamant reject of Deangelo.

With Toronto's cap situation, they'd absolute love some of those ELCs for NHL ready players.

 

[aufheben]

Honestly dude what are you thinking? This is horrible for Toronto.

Get it through your heads already: Lias Andersson is completely. worthless.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

With Toronto's cap situation, they'd absolute love some of those ELCs for NHL ready players.

@bernmeister This x1000

Leafs need elc’s even more than the Rangers do. Trading Nylander only gets done to accomplish two things.

1. Shed salary from their forward core to better balance their roster

2. Bring in a #1/2D who is rock solid defensively

I’m not a Leaf fan, far from it but I live in Toronto so am pretty up to date with the team and their needs.

When making a proposal you should think if you’re hitting the mark on either of those requirements.

If not, then Nylander probably isn’t a good target for your team to go after.

 

[Mick Jagr]

@bernmeister This x1000

Leafs need elc’s even more than the Rangers do. Trading Nylander only gets done to accomplish two things.

1. Shed salary from their forward core to better balance their roster

2. Bring in a #1/2D who is rock solid defensively

I’m not a Leaf fan, far from it but I love in Toronto so am pretty up to date with the team and their needs.

When making a proposal you should think if you’re hitting the mark on either of those requirements.

If not, then Nylander probably isn’t a good target for your team to go after.

This is one of the most logical posts I've ever read on HFboards. Well stated.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Lol, I am not. Hint: The bolded underlined part in biggest possible font expressely say that I ask how a reasonable package would look.

But that’s the point, it wouldn’t look good in any such sort of way for Toronto with that base, no matter what the additions.

 

[bernmeister]

With Toronto's cap situation, they'd absolute love some of those ELCs for NHL ready players.

love it or not, our bluest blue chip elcs are not a luxury we can spare.
esp w/exp drft coming up

 

[bernmeister]

@bernmeister This x1000

Leafs need elc’s even more than the Rangers do. Trading Nylander only gets done to accomplish two things.

1. Shed salary from their forward core to better balance their roster

2. Bring in a #1/2D who is rock solid defensively

I’m not a Leaf fan, far from it but I live in Toronto so am pretty up to date with the team and their needs.

When making a proposal you should think if you’re hitting the mark on either of those requirements.

If not, then Nylander probably isn’t a good target for your team to go after.

Fine.
Return is a 2 way street.

If leafs want elcs or other specific asset type not available NY may well decline.

must be basically vets for vets, no elcs involved.

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also, pls note that I was replying to @CF Punk saying return would require adequate guarantee of known quality, which he recognizes could include Deangelo, esp in absence of other preferred types in extremely short supply league wide.

 

[nickdawg95]

Do Nylander for Ellis and call it a day

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Fine.
Return is a 2 way street.

If leafs want elcs or other specific asset type not available NY may well decline.

must be basically vets for vets, no elcs involved.

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also, pls note that I was replying to @CF Punk saying return would require adequate guarantee of known quality, which he recognizes could include Deangelo, esp in absence of other preferred types in extremely short supply league wide.

The return doesn’t have to have ELC players and the return also doesn’t preclude having TDA or a player like him in it, but if the first two requirements that I mentioned aren’t being met then it just doesn’t make sense for Toronto.

If TDA is the main piece coming back in a Nylander trade then that doesn’t work. They need a 1/2 defensively minded partner for Rielly. Adding a player like TDA to the roster would come after that but you don’t use your biggest and best available trade chip on a luxury without fixing the main problem with the roster.

Simply put if NYR isn’t moving Fox, Trouba, Nils L (all for different reasons) then there’s no deal to be made between the two teams.

In any case Nylander isn’t the type of player the Ranger should be targeting anyway. You need an upgrade from Strome at 2C, bottom 6 forward depth and some LH defensemen who can actually play defence. Nylander doesn’t address any of that and costs $7 mil per year.