Proposal: [tor] nylander for [van] kuzmenko+

[innitfam]

Nope.

Add Willander or disengage from this thread.

Why exactly would Vancouver even be interested in a Kuzmenko for Nylander swap at all? Nylander is going to want 10M give or take, Vancouver can't give him that when they need to give that $ to Pettersson.

 

[Cogburn]

This is ridiculous.

We want to keep Kuzmenko, who has a lower cap hit, and isn't due for a new contract. We don't have the space, as well.

Even if you're making the case Nylander is the better player, he's not the player we need.

The stupid proposals followed by the negging of a player for 30+ pages a thread got old a while ago.

 

[jackjohnson]

Why do you think the Leafs have held 40M in forwards for so damn long? They don't WANT to trade these guys.

Why would you think other teams want your overpaid soft forwards aside from Matthews being the exception. The rest are overrated especially Nylander and Marner

Nope.

Add Willander or disengage from this thread.

Nylander which should change his name to Melander wants above 10 mil per year on a long term. I wouldn't even trade Myers for him because he will soon be the worst contract in NHL after Nurse. Good luck to Leafs, you won't get anything for him if he demands this much and he will probably sign as a free agent somewhere else to get his overpaid contract. I rather have Kuzmenko

 

[jackjohnson]

This is ridiculous.

We want to keep Kuzmenko, who has a lower cap hit, and isn't due for a new contract. We don't have the space, as well.

Even if you're making the case Nylander is the better player, he's not the player we need.

The stupid proposals followed by the negging of a player for 30+ pages a thread got old a while ago.

It's just butthurt Flames and Leafs fans trying it overrate Nylander who will have the worst contract in the NHL pretty soon just like his dad.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Why would you think other teams want your overpaid soft forwards aside from Matthews being the exception. The rest are overrated especially Nylander and Marner

Well unlike you they would have scouts who watch the players and have an idea of their worth

 

[jackjohnson]

Well unlike you they would have scouts who watch the players and have an idea of their worth

Their worth is less than their overpaid contracts. Face it, Toronto is stuck with those overpaid contracts. Marner is overpaid by 2 mil, Tavares overpaid by 4 mil and Melander now wants the same contract as those 2. Now cap space is worth a lot and no team will just give up 11 mil for a soft player. Vancouver used 11 mil to sign 6 players including Ian Cole, Soucy, Irwin, Bluger, Nielsen etc. Which fills 3 D spots and and 3rd line center. Why would they waste 11 mil on Melander?

 

[HockeyVirus]

Their worth is less than their overpaid contracts. Face it, Toronto is stuck with those overpaid contracts. Marner is overpaid by 2 mil, Tavares overpaid by 4 mil and Melander now wants the same contract as those 2. Now cap space is worth a lot and no team will just give up 11 mil for a soft player. Vancouver used 11 mil to sign 6 players including Ian Cole, Soucy, Irwin, Bluger, Nielsen etc. Which fills 3 D spots and and 3rd line center. Why would they waste 11 mil on Melander?

Ok bud

 

[VainGretzky]

Kuzmenko tops out at 24g this year and that’s being generous. He’s worth a 2nd to any GM league wide that’s it .

This is so bad it has to be sarcasm

 

[RandV]

Yeah it would be pretty amazing to have a Nylander-Pettersson tandem, and Kuzmenko+ would probably be an attractive offer to Toronto, but that's... really not the best way Vancouver should be spending it's salary cap and assets.

Like how does Vancouver afford raises to both Pettersson and Nylander next year? They could be going from 7.35 and 6.96 to 12 and 10. Hronek will need a raise as well.

 

[KevinRedkey]

We could just wait and sign him in the free market.

Just like Dubois to Montreal, right?

 

[Three On Zero]

Canucks don’t need a potential 10m soft winger, easy pass

 

[sting101]

Nylander would be a nice addition but trading Kuzmenko for him doesn't make much sense given Nylander is asking for 5 million more than Kuzmenko is making.

A upgrade on the wings which might not even exist if Kuzmenko grows his game as much as he's capable of and taking away 5 million needed to improve the defense and 3C position for the Canucks over the next few seasons doesn't make a lot of sense.

Not only that Kuzmenko has a infectious personality and energy that is contagious. He's a really valuable commodity for the room right now and for our other Russian players.

As for the guy shouting at cloud try watching Kuzmenko play. Some of the best hands in tight i've seen in awhile and has an absolute bomb of a shot which he hasn't even used that much. He will regress sh% wise but also has plenty of room for growth on the PP and with more minutes and to gain more assists which keeps him at or near PPG. Guy is insanely talented and absolutely a top line talent so your 2nd round pick evaluation is absurd.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

The debates about Nylander’s ability are beside the point. The Canucks needs are:
- cost controlled players in general
- D men
- Centres

They also need to resign Pettersson.

Nylander does not address these needs and bringing him actually works against addressing these needs. The proposal is DOA.

 

[DimitriL07]

If Eichel was soooooo good why did he get traded?

If Marchessault is soooo good why did he get traded? Why did he get left unprotected in the expansion draft?

If Jt miller is sooo good, etc etc etc. What a lazy and dumb argument, great players get traded all the time. Even the greatest of all time got traded.

Eichel asked for a trade, March was unproven, JT was a decent player stuck behind depth in Tampa lol. Nylander is a proven talent that may get traded. Pick better players for this argument to work atleast.

 

[canuckslover10]

Just like Dubois to Montreal, right?

Dubious has been in the makings for a 1.5-2 years, the Habs needed a center the canucks don't need Nylander, he's a great player but our issue isn't scoring our issue is defense, so it makes no sense to give up assets to get better at something we are already good at ever so slightly, when we can just wait a year and if he goes to another team then we aren't affected regardless. If we are going to trade assets for help right now it would be for defensive minded or 2-way players. So waiting for him makes sense cause it's obvious the Leafs are going for it again this year but aren't going to trade him at the TDL but at the same time they won't give him close to what he wants so he's most likely going to hit the UFA market.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Having Nylander would be great, but it would require moving so many pieces and paying so much money, that we would probably be worse off, both in the long run and the short run, if we acquired him.

Besides, wing is not the position that we really need to be working on improving.

 

[AvatarAang]

What’s the winning lotto numbers?

Why does it matter, it’s not like Vancouver will ever win the lottery.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Well this tells you how fluky Kuzmenko was. He had a 26.8% shooting percentage. Next closest was 21.7% which gives an idea how unattainable a repeat will be.

As a I said he tops out at 24 goals this season and most teams are only giving you a low second or high first pick.

You are wrong. He will shoot twice as many shots and still score 40 goals with 13.4% shooting percentage...

 

[jackjohnson]

Any blind fool can tell you his shoot percentage was absolutely unsustainable.

He was 1st In the league at 26.8%. One of the most reliable goal scorers in the league in Alex Ovechkin typically hits 13%.

If he can maintain 16-20% he will score 20-24 next season.

As it stands if Kuzmenko was truly some amazing elite young goal scoring talent Canuck’s fans would not be willing to unload him for “I can’t believe it’s not Butter” in William Nylander.

Canucks would get the better player with the better track record.

Not to mention if by some magic beans kuzmenko hits 30-40 next year he won’t be signing for a dollar under 12+ million in his next contract.

If anything you pray he only scores 20-24.

Look at Andrew Mangiapane. Idiot Brad Treliving made non stop mistakes. Giving a flash in the pan in Mangiapane the massive deal of as a big mistake.

You never give big money or trade star players for a guy with just 1 fluke season.

If you don't know anything or haven't watch Kuzmenko play, you shouldn't talk. He can tip pucks in net like no other and he shoots when he can score while his passing is very good. He has more talent than mangiapane and he can Deke players like Pettersson. You write him off shows you never seen him play and just looked at his stats and shooting percentage and decided because his shooti g percentage is high, he is a fluke. Ovi has 20 shots per game, that's why he would have lower shooting percentage, it's simple math. Kuzmenko will also have lower shooting percentage once he shoots more but that doesn't mean his goal production will go down. But keep predicting things like you are Nostradamus while being ignorant of his skillset.

 

[TropicOfNoReturn]

You don't know anything so please stop talking about how you know the future. Kuzmenko got 40 in his 1st year in NHL, he won't regress to score 2 goals in a year

I always find it strange when people post stats that are blatantly wrong just to make a point.
He scored 39 goals last season, not 40.

 

[Superlative Soup]

Kuzmenko and Petey are incredible together. Trading him while trying to extend Petey is just an awful idea. Non-starter

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Eichel asked for a trade, March was unproven, JT was a decent player stuck behind depth in Tampa lol. Nylander is a proven talent that may get traded. Pick better players for this argument to work atleast.

The argument that good players can be traded?

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Nucks say no

 

[jackjohnson]

I always find it strange when people post stats that are blatantly wrong just to make a point.
He scored 39 goals last season, not 40.

Oh ok he scored 39 and not 40, Huge difference right there. That 1 goal difference is gonna make a huge difference if he is elite or not

Kuzmenko and Petey are incredible together. Trading him while trying to extend Petey is just an awful idea. Non-starter

Yep not to mention trading him for a soon to be 11 mil per, 8 years term Nylander. I rather have Kuzmenko for the lower cap hit and chemistry with Petey

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

This is ridiculous.

We want to keep Kuzmenko, who has a lower cap hit, and isn't due for a new contract. We don't have the space, as well.

Even if you're making the case Nylander is the better player, he's not the player we need.

The stupid proposals followed by the negging of a player for 30+ pages a thread got old a while ago.

Nylander is hands down the better player, it's not even a question. Nylander in a secondary role with the Leafs is just a tier below EP. From a Leafs standpoint I wouldn't touch a Nylander for Kuz swap.

Oh ok he scored 39 and not 40, Huge difference right there. That 1 goal difference is gonna make a huge difference if he is elite or not


Yep not to mention trading him for a soon to be 11 mil per, 8 years term Nylander. I rather have Kuzmenko for the lower cap hit and chemistry with Petey

Now it's 11 million lol. Just stop , your hyperbole is ridiculous. Keep kuz that's fine but Leafs have zero interest in a one year wonder shooting 26% as the swap for a top 10 RW in the NHL.