Proposal: TOR-NSH

[Nylanderthal]

The Leafs don't need someone to replace Nylander's regular season production, if they're moving him they need someone who will provide the type of game needed in the post-season. And he's cheaper.

It's not all about goals & assists, and Jeannot is exactly the type of player who can do the things most of Toronto's top 6 is unwilling to do late in series, most specifically Nylander.

Putting aside the extras in the deal, I'd move Willie for Jeannot in a second.

Willys been the most consistent and productive forward the Leafs have the last 3 post seasons.
You want to add more guys like him who actually pick up their production in the post season, not subtract him from a group of underachievers.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Although I don't think it's just Nashville. I doubt there is a GM in the league who would trade Jeannot for Nylander, all things considered. Nylander is a nice enough player, but for just 2 years and at $7M per, he doesn't bring anything that really sets him apart from players that teams can just sign as UFAs if they really want that kind of player. Jeannot's contract and traits are much harder to come by.

He’s actually very proficient at transition D and is highly effective at taking the puck away. He’s also an absolute zone entry god, which teams also highly covet.
You can’t have a team full of Willy’s, but every team would make room for him. 2x6.9 for ppg regular season & ppg+ post season production is a steal.

 

[Armourboy]

He’s actually very proficient at transition D and is highly effective at taking the puck away. He’s also an absolute zone entry god, which teams also highly covet.
You can’t have a team full of Willy’s, but every team would make room for him. 2x6.9 for ppg regular season & ppg+ post season production is a steal.

I think if you ask most Nashville fans they really wouldn't want Nylander to start with and certainly not for a premium that would include Askarov as well.

I get it, Toronto fans think he is worth a lot, that's why he is in every trade proposal, but most teams are not giving up the future for him.

 

[Hoverhand]

Because that's what a Leafs fan offered and what a few other Leafs fans are considering. There are no Preds fans here considering this as a viable basis for a trade. It's a back-and-forth consideration for the Leafs only; the Preds don't care and do not want.

You're right, I was responding to a Leafs fan in a thread created by a Leafs fan and asked why the trade made sense for the Leafs, so you can save the passive aggressive soliloquy.

The real enemy in these trade forums are the Leafs fans who pretend like the team can upgrade by punting Nylander for players who produce less and don't have the defensive metrics to make up for the loss of production. If Preds fans want to come in and say they wouldn't do it then they can, have at it. Doesn't make it any less stupid for the Leafs.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think if you ask most Nashville fans they really wouldn't want Nylander to start with and certainly not for a premium that would include Askarov as well.

I get it, Toronto fans think he is worth a lot, that's why he is in every trade proposal, but most teams are not giving up the future for him.

I would take Nylander on our team in general... we need a top-6 winger and he's a decent one, more on the skillsy side than the gritty side, but anyway, we do need a top-6 winger.

Just... I mean, I would take him for free. I wouldn't trade for him. He'd probably be good for 55-60 pts on our team, and we could use a player who could get those points. But again, there's no need to trade for one when there are set to be almost a dozen on the UFA market next month.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

He’s actually very proficient at transition D and is highly effective at taking the puck away. He’s also an absolute zone entry god, which teams also highly covet.
You can’t have a team full of Willy’s, but every team would make room for him. 2x6.9 for ppg regular season & ppg+ post season production is a steal.

Nylander is a fine player. And ideally a top line forward. And his contract isn’t bad. However he’s not someone you pay a premium for. He’s someone that you acquire in a “Hall for Larsson” type trade. Not the best example but you get what I mean.

 

[Hoverhand]

Nylander is a fine player. And ideally a top line forward. And his contract isn’t bad. However he’s not someone you pay a premium for. He’s someone that you acquire in a “Hall for Larsson” type trade. Not the best example but you get what I mean.

If teams won't pay a premium for him then we can't trade him.


We can argue about whether the vitriol Nylander has gotten over the years is deserved or not but plain and simple we cannot afford to lose that kind of production for what the trade market will likely return for him.

 

[OKR]

If teams won't pay a premium for him then we can't trade him.


We can argue about whether the vitriol Nylander has gotten over the years is deserved or not but plain and simple we cannot afford to lose that kind of production for what the trade market will likely return for him.

Leafs are one of the few teams that can lose that kinda production, they’d still have 3 ~ppg forwards and 70 point defender.

Matter of fact is that this core of theirs isn’t gonna push them over the hill, and scoring isn’t the issue they have.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Production is kind of a lazy argument here

If the leafs can get better still while being able to win 3 2 games just as effectively as their 5 4 games they are better off

Say you lose points by trading nylander but if your team becomes harder to play against and gives up fewer goals still you could argue it is net neutral to net positive

Leafs need to get harder to play against

I got a Ferrari that I can't drive in the winter and you're telling me that your 98 Civic is a fair trade 1 for 1 because I can drive it more often. If that daily driver is necessary, sell the Ferrari elsewhere for fair value and pocket the difference.

 

[Armourboy]

I got a Ferrari that I can't drive in the winter and you're telling me that your 98 Civic is a fair trade 1 for 1 because I can drive it more often. If that daily driver is necessary, sell the Ferrari elsewhere for fair value and pocket the difference.

Eh in this case it's more like a Ferrari and a Ford 150. Ferrari's are great unless what you really need is something to haul things or pull a boat.

They are two totally different vehicles, and in this case Jeannot and Nylander are totally different types of players.

 

[EK392000]

This really isn’t the way I envisioned this thread going.

Seems like Preds fans wouldn’t even do Nylander for Jeannot 1 for 1, let alone include Granlund.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Eh in this case it's more like a Ferrari and a Ford 150. Ferrari's are great unless what you really need is something to haul things or pull a boat.

They are two totally different vehicles, and in this case Jeannot and Nylander are totally different types of players.

Well, and *IF* there were like only three F150's in the league and 100 Ferraris. And if the F150 still cost 1/10th what the Ferrari costs up front, and you knew the Ferrari would explode in 2 years.

This really isn’t the way I envisioned this thread going.

Seems like Preds fans wouldn’t even do Nylander for Jeannot 1 for 1, let alone include Granlund.

It kind of goes beyond that. We wouldn't even remotely CONSIDER Nylander for Jeannot 1 for 1. Like, it's not even thinkable for us.

 

[EK392000]

It kind of goes beyond that. We wouldn't even remotely CONSIDER Nylander for Jeannot 1 for 1. Like, it's not even thinkable for us.

That's questionable but to each their own.

 

[andora]

I got a Ferrari that I can't drive in the winter and you're telling me that your 98 Civic is a fair trade 1 for 1 because I can drive it more often. If that daily driver is necessary, sell the Ferrari elsewhere for fair value and pocket the difference.

Depends on how many people are actually in the market for the ferrari

Now of course you dont just rush a ferrari sale and lose out on great profit but something has to give. While you arent driving the ferrari taking the bus or the train adds hours to your commute and your prodigy son only has 2 more years until he might move out, go away to college and party it up.. you want to spend as much time at home as possible building a successful family before it breaks up.

Cutting down the communte time is imperative to achieving this however hour practical side still wants a good deal on the ferrari

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I would be thrilled if we got Jeannot. Not sure why Nashville would make this move unless they really love Nylander and need to injest more skill into their top 6 as a top priority.

One thing I don't like is that this trade may be good for both parties, or it may be historical-levels bad for Toronto if Jeannot was a flash in the pan. Very high risk for Toronto.

 

[kevsh]

Right, so you trade Nylander, who has 19 points in his last 19 playoff games, for Jeannot, who's a year younger and has 2 assists in 9 career playoff games, and you win more playoff games because hits, grit and intangibles?

Exactly.
Oh, and the ~$6M in cap space saved helps Dubas fill out the bottom 6 with a few more guys that can step up in the playoffs. With Spezza and Mikheyev likely gone, and Simmonds no longer capable, that's plenty of money to work with.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

This really isn’t the way I envisioned this thread going.

Seems like Preds fans wouldn’t even do Nylander for Jeannot 1 for 1, let alone include Granlund.

I would. Look I like jeannot and thinks he really good player but if Toronto was to give nylander for jeannot straight up I would do it a heart beat. People who say they wouldn’t haven’t really watched nylander on a personal level and probably will just say he’s on a stacked offensive team. When the fact is he has the skill base to be a 60-80 point player on most any teams. Giving up granlund would be to much though. You’re not really adding anything. You’re losing granlunds production by adding someone who may have a little more than granlund did while losing a 20 goal scorer as well. Doesn’t make sense for Nashville to make that trade. All this depends on if we sign forsberg or not. If forsberg were to leave no way would I trade any of assets for anyone to be honest