Proposal: TOR-NSH

[andora]

I could see Jeannot being available once they feel L’Heureux is ready. I don’t think we would want to ice both of them as constantly being on the penalty kill might negatively impact our ability to win.

Players like those two have the opportunity to learn and becoming more disciplined while keeping their edge

Nashville with them and trenin could develop quite a philosophy around deterrance if coached right

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Just want to make sure I understand correctly, you think the Leafs could get basically a starting goalie AND a top six winger for the $7m in cap space freed up by trading Nylander?

No not just Nylander, we have kerfoot, Holl, who can be moved for assets, and a potential mrazek buyout.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I could see Jeannot being available once they feel L’Heureux is ready. I don’t think we would want to ice both of them as constantly being on the penalty kill might negatively impact our ability to win.

Eh, L'Heureux might NEVER be ready. And anyway, he's more of a Cousins-like pest than a truly heavy player like Jeannot... 3-5 years from now.

 

[DatDude44]

Superficially you are trading 107 points for 105. This when you factor in Kase only played 50 games it makes this a bit of a head scratcher. 80 of those points come from one guy......

Now I can see a stylistic fit with Granlund/JT but ultimately you want to make our team worse.

We are not in a mode where we want quantity over quality. You can try to upgrade 1RHD, 2LW or Goalie. nothing else makes sense. This proposal does not address a major need and makes us weaker offensively. No thanks.

Unless Jeannot projects to be a top line LW I see no reason to even consider this. Even then it seems counter productive to our goal of getting out of the East next season.

We need to be better, not worse.

Leafs would be crazy not to do this deal. The game is alot more than just regular season points and 107 vs 105 isn't a real difference. Jeannot is by far the more superior player to Kase and brings alot more to the table outside of being the better goal scorer, and granlund basically brings the same skill skating and puck moving ability as nylander, obviously to a lesser extent, but given who he'd be playing with i'd be willing to bet the production difference is miniscule at best and you become a wayyyy better team in the playoffs with a jeannot somewhere in that middle 6 rather than a kase.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Jeannot > Nylander
Granlund >>>>>>> Kase

... is ultimately how NAS would see it.

There is no trade to be made here, and there is no way to bridge the gap. Hynes loves Granlund, and you can't offer us a better #1C or fix this in any way.

Lol stopped reading right there

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Lol stopped reading right there

And that's why you need to not read these threads. Teams have needs that aren't based on the fantasy league stats of a given player. There are age, cap, and other considerations that come into play. If you can't handle that, you don't need to read these things.

 

[Marner4Life]

Superficially you are trading 107 points for 105. This when you factor in Kase only played 50 games it makes this a bit of a head scratcher. 80 of those points come from one guy......

Now I can see a stylistic fit with Granlund/JT but ultimately you want to make our team worse.

We are not in a mode where we want quantity over quality. You can try to upgrade 1RHD, 2LW or Goalie. nothing else makes sense. This proposal does not address a major need and makes us weaker offensively. No thanks.

Unless Jeannot projects to be a top line LW I see no reason to even consider this. Even then it seems counter productive to our goal of getting out of the East next season.

We need to be better, not worse.

This makes the LEAFS harder to play against and saves cap money! Both Granlund and Jeannot can play second line with JT!

 

[Viqsi]

Lol stopped reading right there

So you missed the "is ultimately how Nashville would see it" part, which is of relevance, becuase it's Nashville who owns Jeannot's rights and therefore Nashville that determines whether or not he gets traded.

 

[Magic Man]

I really like the idea of a Jeannot+ for Nylander based trade. Maybe..

Tanner Jeannot + Yaroslav Askarov for William Nylander + Wayne Simmonds

Grit above the 4th line is important, the Leafs don't have enough, Jeannot brings that. The Leafs are not very good at drafting goalies, this adds a gem to the pool. The Leafs save big on the cap in year #1, which could lead them to make another big move.

The Preds get someone to replace Forsberg if he is departing. If not he could mesh with a variety of resurging Predator forwards. Simmonds could help replace some of the lost meat.

 

[LeighDx59]

I dont see Nashville moving Jeannot at all unless its an overpayment. His play is very important to the Preds right now, and its safe to say Poile sees alot in him considering he was protected in the expansion draft.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I dont see Nashville moving Jeannot at all unless its an overpayment. His play is very important to the Preds right now, and its safe to say Poile sees alot in him considering he was protected in the expansion draft.

Nylander is probably an overpayment, but not really the right type of one from a Preds POV. People throwing Askarov into deals as well just makes it completely unpalatable.

 

[Viqsi]

I really like the idea of a Jeannot+ for Nylander based trade.

Nashville doesn't and won't.

 

[Magic Man]

Nylander is probably an overpayment, but not really the right type of one from a Preds POV. People throwing Askarov into deals as well just makes it completely unpalatable.

How are we supposed to gamble on one year of a 41 point player at age 25 for a player that was drafted 8th overall and went on to post a 60 or better point pace in every season since he came into the league, minus 1 where he finished where Jeannot finished this season, coming off 80 points. Nylander is 26 and he has 6 NHL seasons, Jeannot has 1 NHL season. What did you think would happen, they'd swap them straight across?

 

[Djp]

A deal that suits each teams needs would be

To
Nashville
Nylander
Sandin
Holmberg / 2024 2nd

To
Toronto
Jeannot
Askarov
17th overall

hell no from nashville

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

The Leafs don't need someone to replace Nylander's regular season production, if they're moving him they need someone who will provide the type of game needed in the post-season. And he's cheaper.

It's not all about goals & assists, and Jeannot is exactly the type of player who can do the things most of Toronto's top 6 is unwilling to do late in series, most specifically Nylander.

Putting aside the extras in the deal, I'd move Willie for Jeannot in a second.

Right, so you trade Nylander, who has 19 points in his last 19 playoff games, for Jeannot, who's a year younger and has 2 assists in 9 career playoff games, and you win more playoff games because hits, grit and intangibles?

 

[Magic Man]

Nashville doesn't and won't.

It's like saying a Bunting+ trade for Nylander wouldn't work, even though Bunting scored 22 more points, minus the RFA status. Nylander is much more valuable than Bunting. Same as he is more valuable than Jeannot.

If Nashville wants to keep their homegrown mucker I'm all for it.

 

[Hoverhand]

Jeannot led the league in hits, fights, and scored the most goals of any rookie this past season

With all due respect to Mr. Jeannot, the Leafs possessed many players with a willingness grit it out despite injury and throw the body at the Lightning.

When it came down to it, they needed more offence to take down Vasilevskiy. There are several pieces in the organization that can be shedded for cap reasons and to upgrade the bottom 6s offensive prowess.

Why does this involve one of our point per game players?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

So you missed the "is ultimately how Nashville would see it" part, which is of relevance, becuase it's Nashville who owns Jeannot's rights and therefore Nashville that determines whether or not he gets traded.

Although I don't think it's just Nashville. I doubt there is a GM in the league who would trade Jeannot for Nylander, all things considered. Nylander is a nice enough player, but for just 2 years and at $7M per, he doesn't bring anything that really sets him apart from players that teams can just sign as UFAs if they really want that kind of player. Jeannot's contract and traits are much harder to come by.

 

[Viqsi]

How are we supposed to gamble

You can stop there. This was a Leafs fan asking about a Preds player. The Preds and Preds fans have no interest in moving Jeannot. That's really all there is to it. We are not the ones reaching out to you here.

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It's like saying a Bunting+ trade for Nylander wouldn't work, even though Bunting scored 22 more points, minus the RFA status. Nylander is much more valuable than Bunting. Same as he is more valuable than Jeannot.

Players do not have an absolute universal measure of value; it's not even possible to do that, as they're not fungible assets.

If Nashville wants to keep their homegrown mucker I'm all for it.

That's pretty much it.

 

[Viqsi]

With all due respect to Mr. Jeannot, the Leafs possessed many players with a willingness grit it out despite injury and throw the body at the Lightning.

When it came down to it, they needed more offence to take down Vasilevskiy. There are several pieces in the organization that can be shedded for cap reasons and to upgrade the bottom 6s offensive prowess.

Why does this involve one of our point per game players?

Because that's what a Leafs fan offered and what a few other Leafs fans are considering. There are no Preds fans here considering this as a viable basis for a trade. It's a back-and-forth consideration for the Leafs only; the Preds don't care and do not want.

 

[Magic Man]

You can stop there. This was a Leafs fan asking about a Preds player. The Preds and Preds fans have no interest in moving Jeannot. That's really all there is to it. We are not the ones reaching out to you here.

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Players do not have an absolute universal measure of value; it's not even possible to do that, as they're not fungible assets.

That's pretty much it.

I'm not overly concerned on who started the thread exactly. What I'm saying is if the Leafs were to make that trade, considering things like trade value which is made up of things like what you've accomplished, they would probably want more than someone who scored half as many points this season, when this is his only season and he's 25. Which would make that an extremely risky one for one exchange, wouldn't you say?

 

[Viqsi]

I'm not overly concerned on who started the thread exactly. What I'm saying is if the Leafs were to make that trade, considering things like trade value which is made up of things like what you've accomplished, they would probably want more than someone who scored half as many points this season, when this is his only season and he's 25. Which would make that an extremely risky one for one exchange, wouldn't you say?

Your point is only relevant in a world in which it is the Preds approaching the Leafs with the idea. Which is not the case, either in reality or in this supposition.

Nobody cares whether or not the Jackets would want to grapple with the possibility of losing Andrew Peeke in a trade with him as the centerpiece for Matthews. It's a non-starter for Toronto regardless.

 

[ref19]

I wouldn't trade Nylander for a lot of players, but I'd do 1 for 1 for Jeannot.

Jeannot is only a year younger than Willy... Think about that lol.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Although I don't think it's just Nashville. I doubt there is a GM in the league who would trade Jeannot for Nylander, all things considered. Nylander is a nice enough player, but for just 2 years and at $7M per, he doesn't bring anything that really sets him apart from players that teams can just sign as UFAs if they really want that kind of player. Jeannot's contract and traits are much harder to come by.

Hell, I'm still a Jeannot skeptic to an extent, thinking he likely had a career year last season and Trenin could ultimately be a better/more consistent player, and still wouldn't really consider this trade. If we were trading Jeannot there's targets that are better fits for what we are trying to do. Nylander would spend 2 years here on a rebuilding/retooling fringe playoff team, put up lower production on a less potent Preds offense, and then cya in free agency. Just not really worth thinking about, especially when Askarov gets brought into the mix.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I really like the idea of a Jeannot+ for Nylander based trade. Maybe..

Tanner Jeannot + Yaroslav Askarov for William Nylander + Wayne Simmonds

Grit above the 4th line is important, the Leafs don't have enough, Jeannot brings that. The Leafs are not very good at drafting goalies, this adds a gem to the pool. The Leafs save big on the cap in year #1, which could lead them to make another big move.

The Preds get someone to replace Forsberg if he is departing. If not he could mesh with a variety of resurging Predator forwards. Simmonds could help replace some of the lost meat.

So you want to give up Nylander and a wash up for arguably the best goalie prospect in the world and a 24 year old that was modestly outproduced by Nylander 5 on 5, but is way more well-rounded?

How could Nashville say no?

BTW, before somebody loses their mind, Nylander is more valuable than Jeannot. The value gap is just way smaller than an Askarov addition.