Proposal: TOR-NSH
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Jeannot is the type of player the leafs need but he's got one year of production so far. I guess with Granlund in the deal it becomes less risky.
BlueBaron
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Superficially you are trading 107 points for 105. This when you factor in Kase only played 50 games it makes this a bit of a head scratcher. 80 of those points come from one guy......
Now I can see a stylistic fit with Granlund/JT but ultimately you want to make our team worse.
We are not in a mode where we want quantity over quality. You can try to upgrade 1RHD, 2LW or Goalie. nothing else makes sense. This proposal does not address a major need and makes us weaker offensively. No thanks.
Unless Jeannot projects to be a top line LW I see no reason to even consider this. Even then it seems counter productive to our goal of getting out of the East next season.
We need to be better, not worse.
Now I can see a stylistic fit with Granlund/JT but ultimately you want to make our team worse.
We are not in a mode where we want quantity over quality. You can try to upgrade 1RHD, 2LW or Goalie. nothing else makes sense. This proposal does not address a major need and makes us weaker offensively. No thanks.
Unless Jeannot projects to be a top line LW I see no reason to even consider this. Even then it seems counter productive to our goal of getting out of the East next season.
We need to be better, not worse.
MarkusKetterer
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Jeannot led the league in hits, fights, and scored the most goals of any rookie this past season
Jeannot with the right linemates can be as good as prime Wayne Simmonds, if not better.
BlueBaron
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OK I see the appeal in that. I'm not sure Nylander would be the best approach on getting him. 24 goals isn't bad, 1 more than Bunting
. I guess the Op sees him on the first line.I'm not a big fan of giving up the best player though and it seems like a move that could take some time to truly pay off. I'm interested but not at the cost of moving Nylander.
Now Saros.....*duck* ok ok, Won't bother mentioning him
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
OK I see the appeal in that. I'm not sure Nylander would be the best approach on getting him. 24 goals isn't bad, 1 more than Bunting
I'm not a big fan of giving up the best player though and it seems like a move that could take some time to truly pay off. I'm interested but not at the cost of moving Nylander.
Now Saros.....*duck* ok ok, Won't bother mentioning him
I also can’t see Nashville moving him. Especially at that contract. At worst this is a career year and he never comes close to that again (goal wise), but I mean, it’s $800K for a year. You ride that out until next summer.
Nylander and Forsberg on a line would be absolutely lethal. Nylander has been playing with Tavares who he doesn't mesh well with and Kampf. You put him on a top line with other players who have speed and he puts up atleast 90 points.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
Either way Nylander on the top line still puts up 75 to 80 points even without Forsberg.
A deal that suits each teams needs would be
To
Nashville
Nylander
Sandin
Holmberg / 2024 2nd
To
Toronto
Jeannot
Askarov
17th overall
To
Nashville
Nylander
Sandin
Holmberg / 2024 2nd
To
Toronto
Jeannot
Askarov
17th overall
Won't comment on value but those players and picks do very little for the Leafs now.
1) Jeannot cannot replace Nylander's production
2) Askarov is at least a year away from being an NHL goalie
3) The player selected at 17th overall will need some development before they will be impactful
Bringer of Jollity
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Preds have no real interest in any of these deals. Nylander's a fine player and worth more than Jeannot, but Jeannot is a perfect fit for the style and build the Preds are re-tooling around and had the most goals among rookies. Askarov is our future #1 and isn't being traded at this point.
A1LeafNation
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I wouldn't trade Nylander for a lot of players, but I'd do 1 for 1 for Jeannot.
Nylander cap being moved allows the leafs to target a top 6 winger and a stop gap 1A goalie for the next 3 years. Somthing like Marchment + Campbell. With some cap left over to fill a couple bottom 6 holes.
Ledge And Dairy
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Nashville built an identity this year and Jeannot (despite being on the 3rd line) is a definition of that identity. Very similar to the "identity line" on the islanders (no this was not meant to be a pun).
Point being I just don't see a situation where Nashville makes Jeannot remotely available
Point being I just don't see a situation where Nashville makes Jeannot remotely available
Porter Stoutheart
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Jeannot is not going to be moved. I don't think Nylander is the kind of player the Preds would pay any kind of premium to acquire. He's a skilled player, but basically all we need to do is sign some kind of top-6 winger as a UFA, not go crazy trading for one.
This deal, or any variation thereof, has absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever happening from a NAS perspective.
This deal, or any variation thereof, has absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever happening from a NAS perspective.
kevsh
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The Leafs don't need someone to replace Nylander's regular season production, if they're moving him they need someone who will provide the type of game needed in the post-season. And he's cheaper.
It's not all about goals & assists, and Jeannot is exactly the type of player who can do the things most of Toronto's top 6 is unwilling to do late in series, most specifically Nylander.
Putting aside the extras in the deal, I'd move Willie for Jeannot in a second.
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Porter Stoutheart
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Jeannot > Nylander
Granlund >>>>>>> Kase
... is ultimately how NAS would see it.
There is no trade to be made here, and there is no way to bridge the gap. Hynes loves Granlund, and you can't offer us a better #1C or fix this in any way.
Granlund >>>>>>> Kase
... is ultimately how NAS would see it.
There is no trade to be made here, and there is no way to bridge the gap. Hynes loves Granlund, and you can't offer us a better #1C or fix this in any way.
I agree. Look at what the Hawks got for Hagel, Tanner Jeannot could bring a similar return for Nashville.
Just want to make sure I understand correctly, you think the Leafs could get basically a starting goalie AND a top six winger for the $7m in cap space freed up by trading Nylander?
Production is kind of a lazy argument here
If the leafs can get better still while being able to win 3 2 games just as effectively as their 5 4 games they are better off
Say you lose points by trading nylander but if your team becomes harder to play against and gives up fewer goals still you could argue it is net neutral to net positive
Leafs need to get harder to play against
If the leafs can get better still while being able to win 3 2 games just as effectively as their 5 4 games they are better off
Say you lose points by trading nylander but if your team becomes harder to play against and gives up fewer goals still you could argue it is net neutral to net positive
Leafs need to get harder to play against
I could see Jeannot being available once they feel L’Heureux is ready. I don’t think we would want to ice both of them as constantly being on the penalty kill might negatively impact our ability to win.
