Proposal: Tor/Min

[rynryn]

no idea how I got on the nino train but i had to have been responding to something.

JVR though--solid player. Aren't you going to need solid veterans of his skill level to mentor the Marners and Matthews and Nylanders?

 

[rynryn]

You clearly know nothing about JvR. How is he not durable? Cause he was hurt for 40 games last season? Do the previous 3 seasons of playing basically every game not count for anything?
You're a troll.

well one of the previous three seasons was the lockout. the year before that he missed half a season too.

i really don't know much about him because i haven't obsessively lusted after his awesomeness, and he's been in the East so I have little exposure. he looks like a top six forward.

 

[rynryn]

I'm sure it's been explained somewhere but i don't have time to sift through the thousands of posts on the hundreds of threads offering up JVR...
What's the rationale? Why are fans shopping him so hard?

It's obvious why Wild fans want to dish off Pommer in every single wild related proposal that comes up but not so much JVR.

Explain to me why the Wild--an old team anyway--would want to rid themselves of a high-potential, very young defenseman for a guy who is going to either get paid a lot more at age 29 (?) or walk. He's going to have some really poor value years on that contract. We already have Parise and Suter staked down in that department.

 

[Brock Radunske]

To Toronto:
Matt Dumba
Jason Pominville

To Minnesota:
James van Riemdsyk
Jeremy Bracco

Are you serious?

JVR + a good prospect for Dumba and a declining, expensive roster player?

Leafs say no way

I wouldn't trade Bracco for Pomminville and I certainly wouldn't trade JVR for Dumba without a considerable + on Minnie's side

 

[GuerinUp]

Are you serious?

JVR + a good prospect for Dumba and a declining, expensive roster player?

Leafs say no way

I wouldn't trade Bracco for Pomminville and I certainly wouldn't trade JVR for Dumba without a considerable + on Minnie's side

Good, because for the 3 millionth time. The wild DO NOT want JVR at any cost. Nor do we feel JVR is even worth Dumba alone. So goodbye, so long, adios muchachos

 

[MarryMarner]

well one of the previous three seasons was the lockout. the year before that he missed half a season too.

i really don't know much about him because i haven't obsessively lusted after his awesomeness, and he's been in the East so I have little exposure. he looks like a top six forward.

You clearly just know nothing about JVR. He IS a top-6 forward, he doesn't just look like one.

 

[MarryMarner]

I'm sure it's been explained somewhere but i don't have time to sift through the thousands of posts on the hundreds of threads offering up JVR...
What's the rationale? Why are fans shopping him so hard?

It's obvious why Wild fans want to dish off Pommer in every single wild related proposal that comes up but not so much JVR.

Explain to me why the Wild--an old team anyway--would want to rid themselves of a high-potential, very young defenseman for a guy who is going to either get paid a lot more at age 29 (?) or walk. He's going to have some really poor value years on that contract. We already have Parise and Suter staked down in that department.

We are shopping him to teams that seem to need younger top-6 forwards (which the wild clearly need) because we have Auston Matthews, Nazem Kadri, Tyler Bozak, William Nylander, Mitchell Marner, Nikita Soshnikov, Connor Brown, Leo Komarov, and JVR as guys who could play top-6 roles this year or next, so of course we want to trade someone like JVR who has the most value (aside from Matthews, Nylander, and Marner) for defensive help to add to Rielly and Gardiner.

We are not shopping him because he's bad. He's a good player who can play LW on your 1st or 2nd line and makes 4.2 million a year for the next two years, but he's the most attractive forward option we have without trading the three kids.

 

[gwh]

Why are you all yelling? Neither side needs to make this trade...

Leafs don't need Dumba, because Zaitsev.

Wild doesn't need a top6 LW, because we are overflowing with LWs.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Leafs would be crazy to make this move. No need whatsoever for a guy like Pominville and his salary at this point in the rebuild. And Dumba is closer to being a complete bust than a top-pairing guy

Not even close

Based on what?

 

[Sarge58]

Leafs would be crazy to make this move. No need whatsoever for a guy like Pominville and his salary at this point in the rebuild. And Dumba is closer to being a complete bust than a top-pairing guy

Not even close

Dumba 81gp 10g 16a 26pts

Rielly 82gp 9g 27a 36pts

Think what you want about Dumba who gets bottom pairing minutes, and then you compare Rielly who gets more prime mins you'd have to think he's not too far off being a total bust himself.

 

[LV*]

Leafs fans view this as Dumba for JVR + Bracco. Yea no thanks.

 

[Sarge58]

Leafs fans view this as Dumba for JVR + Bracco. Yea no thanks.

I agree with you, but I was responding to a different post.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Leafs fans view this as Dumba + Cap Dump for JVR + Bracco. Yea no thanks.

Correction

 

[Sarge58]

I was pointing out how ridiculous it is to call Dumba a complete bust.

Originally Posted by AxlRose91 View Post
Leafs would be crazy to make this move. No need whatsoever for a guy like Pominville and his salary at this point in the rebuild. And Dumba is closer to being a complete bust than a top-pairing guy

Not even close

Correction

 

[LV*]

I agree with you, but I was responding to a different post.

Lol I was replying to the OP not you. Your post wasnt worth responding to, you think Rielly and Dumba are equal or something?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Lol I was replying to the OP not you. Your post wasnt worth responding to, you think Rielly and Dumba are equal or something?

JVR is completely unneeded in Minnesota. Bracco is a nice prospect but nowhere near the value of Dumba. Also it's not as far fetched to see Dumba as a 1st pairing dman in 1-2 years. He's got the offense for it and pairing him with a Brodin or Suter would be money.

 

[Sarge58]

Lol I was replying to the OP not you. Your post wasnt worth responding to, you think Rielly and Dumba are equal or something?

A bit of a miscommunication, my bad.

 

[AKL]

Leafs would be crazy to make this move. No need whatsoever for a guy like Pominville and his salary at this point in the rebuild. And Dumba is closer to being a complete bust than a top-pairing guy

Not even close

Yeah if Dumba is closer to a bust than a first pairing defender, then Nylander is closer to a 4th line C than a 1st line anything and Rielly is a 2nd pairing defender at best.

 

[PuckInTheNards]

Ever notice how every single Leaf trade thread ends with Leaf fans insulting the player they started the thread about? Ever notice how it's (almost) always Leaf fans who initiate trade proposals involving their players... When was the last time anyone started a thread to ask about acquiring JVR?

Wild fans have been consistent - we do not want JVR (or Gardiner or Bozak). End of story. He has value... fine. Trade him to someone else. Toronto's available players, at the price they would cost, do not make the Wild a better team.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Ever notice how every single Leaf trade thread ends with Leaf fans insulting the player they started the thread about? Ever notice how it's (almost) always Leaf fans who initiate trade proposals involving their players... When was the last time anyone started a thread to ask about acquiring JVR?

Wild fans have been consistent - we do not want JVR (or Gardiner or Bozak). End of story. He has value... fine. Trade him to someone else. Toronto's available players, at the price they would cost, do not make the Wild a better team.

Ever notice how Toronto have the largest fan base on this forum.

 

[gwh]

Ever notice how Toronto have the largest fan base on this forum.

Nice derail.

No to JVR, Bozak, Kadri or any D. No fit.

Yes to Nylander, for a lot of assets.

This has been consistent for almost 6 months.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

Ever notice how every single Leaf trade thread ends with Leaf fans insulting the player they started the thread about? Ever notice how it's (almost) always Leaf fans who initiate trade proposals involving their players... When was the last time anyone started a thread to ask about acquiring JVR?

Wild fans have been consistent - we do not want JVR (or Gardiner or Bozak). End of story. He has value... fine. Trade him to someone else. Toronto's available players, at the price they would cost, do not make the Wild a better team.

Ever notice how Toronto have the largest fan base on this forum.

That does not make anything Puck said less true. Gets weary when a JVR to Minnesota thread pops up at least once a month. When one look at our roster would show we don't have a need for that type of player. Just so you know Coach Bruce already has Granlund penciled in at #2LW. So hooray, we can now create our own left wings. Less need for JVR.

 

[Halla]

This is so bad from the Wild's perspective.

I try to dump Pominville in every Wild trade proposal, and, yet, even I will have to admit Pominville has more worth to the Wild, as a right-shot, RW, than JVR, who is a completely unneeded LW to squeeze in with Parise, Granlund, Nino, and Zucker.

And that's ignoring putting Dumba in this deal.

so you wouldnt do pominville, a soon to be 34 year old coming off a 36pt in 75 game season, for JVR who was recently named to team USA?

 

[Lennu32]

so you wouldnt do pominville, a soon to be 34 year old coming off a 36pt in 75 game season, for JVR who was recently named to team USA?

MIN doesn't need left wingers. Pominville is a RW which is a need. It's really that simple.

 

[Halla]

MIN doesn't need left wingers. Pominville is a RW which is a need. It's really that simple.

minny would do the deal in a heartbeat. its really that simple.
the leafs dont really need a C with Matthews,Kadri,Bozak and Laich up the middle but if we were offered a similar talent (lets say stepan) for an aging vet with diminishing production (michalek) we would do it without thinking.

wouldnt take JVR @ 4.25 for Pominville and his bloated 5.6million contrct with 3 years left LOL