PTO: [TOR] F Steven Lorentz, Max Pacioretty, and Jon Gillies sign PTOs with the Maple Leafs; 21 others invited to camp

[FerrisRox]

Many experts feel the Leafs had one of the best off seasons in the league and this was before resigning Robertson and getting Paccioretty and Hakanpaa.

Who are these many experts that pegged the Leafs as having one of the best off-seasons?

Where are you seeing that?

 

[samsagat]

YESS, Max Pacioretty to the Leafs.

He's the one, he's the solution.. with him they'll definitely get out of the 1st round.

Pacioretty bread n butter always been his play in the playoffs.

He's the second coming of Claude Lemieux

 

[BHD]

Wait... they were concerned about Robertson being offer-sheeted?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Wait... they were concerned about Robertson being offer-sheeted?

Doubt it.

 

[Roo]

Who are these many experts that pegged the Leafs as having one of the best off-seasons?

Where are you seeing that?

Bruce Boudreau is the one I can recall

 

[Rubi]

An injury riddled player who hasn't been able to stay healthy since the 2016-17 season and will turn 36 in November. What in gawds name are you doing Treliving?

 

[Byron Bitz]

Patches on the Leafs, Kulemin in Ottawa's training camp... We need Montreal to sign a Senators ex-patriot of some kind, to complete the triangle.

Breaking news: Kyle Turris has signed with the Habs

 

[samsagat]

His skating was key. I'll be interested to see how the motor runs after a few really serious injuries into his mid 30s.

I really liked him in transition but I never really considered him a good static player ie) powerplay. It's the kind of player you wouldn't think would age well particularly given the mileage on his body, but let's see what happens.

Pacioretty's strength was clearly his straight line skating.

He had a powerful stride and was a master at making opposite defensemen forget him, to then receive a pass at full speed and attack the enemy net.

He was a counter-attack specialist.

Markov and Subban being both good at stretch passes, this strategy was a big part of MTL offense back then, in the 2010s under Michel Therrien.

 

[Dog]

Breaking news: Kyle Turris has signed with the Habs

It's upside down world!

 

[WatchfulElm]

As a former Habs, let's hope he plays a key role for the Leafs in the playoffs just like Galchenyuk did in 2021.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Noooooooo

 

[hamzarocks]

An injury riddled player who hasn't been able to stay healthy since the 2016-17 season and will turn 36 in November. What in gawds name are you doing Treliving?

Since 2022 he has been injury prone

2018 he played 64 of 82 = 78% of games
2019 he played 66 of 82 = 80% of games
2020 he played 71 of possible 71 games = 100% of games
2021 he played 48 of 56 = 86% of games

Overall playes 249 of a possible 291 games those 4 years (86%)

He has been injured since 2022. If he didnt get hurt likely still a 6M player on a contender as he had a very strong half season in 2022 before his first achillies tear

 

[Leafs87]

Sign or PTO?

 

[VivaLasVegas]

An injury riddled player who hasn't been able to stay healthy since the 2016-17 season and will turn 36 in November. What in gawds name are you doing Treliving?

Patches was much liked during his Vegas time, but was pretty much cooked when Vegas traded him to Carolina "for future considerations" ..... and that was before he was injured again.

The only thing that I can even begin to speculate is that Treliving wants more veteran experience on the bench and in the locker room. There is no doubt that Patches is a great guy to have around. Whether that is worth a spot on the roster that might be taken by a more effective player, however, is subject to enlightened conversation.

 

[conFABulator]

What do you mean offseason?

McMann, Holmberg, Dewar and Benoit all played for the leafs last year. All but Dewar played over 50 games.

That's fair, halfway through I changed my position to from begining of last year to beginning of this year. I should have changed my wording too

 

[Maitz]

Is he gonna wear the 67 in TOR ?

 

[conFABulator]

Perhaps temper the expectations ..

I don't have to temper expectations. As a Leafs fan the world does that for me.

 

[Prairie Habs]

That's one way to look at it.

Another would be that he improved a team that finished top ten in the league last year. Did any of the nine teams that finished ahead of the Leafs also improve? As much as the Leafs? Anyone?

The Leafs projected opening night line up this year has the following changes from last year on opening night.

OUT --> IN

Bertuzzi --> McMann
Minten --> Paccioretty
Gregor --> Holmberg
Reaves --> Dewar
Brodie --> Tanev
Klingberg --> OEL
Giordano --> Benoit or Hakanpaa
Samsonov --> Stolarz
Keefe --> Berube

Any other top teams have this good of an off-season?

You pretend you are basing the comparison off the opening night roster, but then use the end of season results. No one cares about the 4 games that Minten played last season.

Simon Benoit who played 64 regular season games and all 7 playoff games for the Leafs is replacing Giordano who played 46 regular season games and 0 playoff games?

McMann played 56 games for the Leafs last season and scored 15 goals. You don't have anyone replacing him, so is he filling in for Bertuzzi's production last season AND his own? 136 games and 36 goals?

Reaves, who is still on the team, is being replaced by Dewar, who was already on the team? They both played in at least 5 playoff games to end the year, so I'm not sure if one is really replacing the other.

New addition Pontus Holmberg, who is at 98 games played with the Leafs, will be a fun fresh new face to watch.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Get the PatioReady, Max!!! It's the perfect country club organization for you!! (Media aside of course)

 

[rojac]

Sign or PTO?

Based on Seravalli's tweet, I would say "sign" because he mentioned that the Leafs needed to clear up some salary cap issues frist. If they were bringing him on a PTO, there would be no salary cap issues.

 

[conFABulator]

Who are these many experts that pegged the Leafs as having one of the best off-seasons?

Where are you seeing that?

The Athletic ranked our off season eighth best and no one ahead of us on this list finished ahead of us in the standings last year.

ESPN had us fifth best off season.

It's hard to be a most improved team when you are a good team to begin with. The general summary is that the Leafs finished second in goals for that last and lost only Bertuzzi and his 21 goals, that can be absorbed by Knies, McMann, Robertson and now maybe Paccioretty...also more offense from the D.

We added two or three nice D men that seem to fit and fill roles and replaced the historically bad Samsonov with Stolarz.

Also Berube in for Keefe.

These make us a better team, some would say much better.

 

[Rubi]

Since 2022 he has been injury prone

2018 he played 64 of 82 = 78% of games
2019 he played 66 of 82 = 80% of games
2020 he played 71 of possible 71 games = 100% of games
2021 he played 48 of 56 = 86% of games

Overall playes 249 of a possible 291 games those 4 years (86%)

He has been injured since 2022. If he didnt get hurt likely still a 6M player on a contender as he had a very strong half season in 2022 before his first achillies tear

I like actual games lost numbers instead of percentages.

2017-18 - missed 18 games
2018-19 - missed 16 games
2020-21. - missed 8 games in a very short 56 game season
2021-22 - missed 43 games
2022-23 - missed 77 games
2023-24 - missed 35 games

Colour it however you want... Patch is an old injury ridden hockey player that the Leafs don't need. Treliving doing Treliving things again.

 

[conFABulator]

You pretend you are basing the comparison off the opening night roster, but then use the end of season results. No one cares about the 4 games that Minten played last season.

Simon Benoit who played 64 regular season games and all 7 playoff games for the Leafs is replacing Giordano who played 46 regular season games and 0 playoff games?

McMann played 56 games for the Leafs last season and scored 15 goals. You don't have anyone replacing him, so is he filling in for Bertuzzi's production last season AND his own? 136 games and 36 goals?

Reaves, who is still on the team, is being replaced by Dewar, who was already on the team? They both played in at least 5 playoff games to end the year, so I'm not sure if one is really replacing the other.

New addition Pontus Holmberg, who is at 98 games played with the Leafs, will be a fun fresh new face to watch.

you're right. I change my measurement from beginning of season to off season and didn't reword the post. Sorry about that.

I don't like the end of season one because a lot of those guys that left joined at the TDL, we could add at the TDL again this year.

By GP...it is still Brodie out for Tanev, Giordano out for OEL, and Hakanpaa taking some depth players time.

It's Bertuzzi out and I guess Paccioretty in...though I do think the full season of McMann is the trade off here, or maybe vene Cowan.

Samsonov out for Stolarz and Keefe for Berube are big factors.

So, although my post was poorly structured it doesn't change the sentiment.

 

[hamzarocks]

I like actual games lost numbers instead of percentages.

2017-18 - missed 18 games
2018-19 - missed 16 games
2020-21. - missed 8 games in a very short 56 game season
2021-22 - missed 43 games
2022-23 - missed 77 games
2023-24 - missed 35 games

Colour it however you want... Patch is an old injury ridden hockey player that the Leafs don't need. Treliving doing Treliving things again.

Sure, but he will be a minor depth piece if he makes it to the team

Upside is Spezza

Downside is waived

 

[Canadienna]

Many experts feel the Leafs had one of the best off seasons in the league and this was before resigning Robertson and getting Paccioretty and Hakanpaa.

Name a top ten team from last year that had a better off-season. Go ahead.

The Leafs projected opening night line up this year has the following changes from last year on opening night.

OUT --> IN

Bertuzzi --> McMann
Minten --> Paccioretty
Gregor --> Holmberg
Reaves --> Dewar
Brodie --> Tanev
Klingberg --> OEL
Giordano --> Benoit or Hakanpaa
Samsonov --> Stolarz
Keefe --> Berube

Any other top teams have this good of an off-season?

That's a pretty mediocre list of players, and tbh the best player might be Bertuzzi leaving.

I like their coaching change, but outside of that, there's a lot of question marks about depth at F and top end talent at D. Kind of like previous years too.

Not sure I agree that the Leafs had one of the best offseasons, but we'll see soon enough!