Proposal: TOR-EDM, TOR-LAK

[ChaoticOrange]

In the playoffs, which is where the Stanley Cup is won, Walman was 5th among Oilers D in TOI/GP. He did play over 20:10 per night but your 5th defenseman will do that when OT isn't capped at 5 minutes.

You’re dodging the questions because you don’t like the answers. 20 minutes is firmly 2nd pairing deployment. There’s a reason you’d trade McMann for Walman and it’s because you’re keenly aware that it’s a huge win for your team. I’d be happy trading a 29 year old third liner for a 29 year old top four defenceman too.

 

[Americanadian]

You’re dodging the questions because you don’t like the answers. 20 minutes is firmly 2nd pairing deployment. There’s a reason you’d trade McMann for Walman and it’s because you’re keenly aware that it’s a huge win for your team. I’d be happy trading a 29 year old third liner for a 29 year old top four defenceman too.

If it's 2nd pairing deployment, why are 4 guys playing more than him?

Do I think Toronto gets the better player? Absolutely. Do I think this trade boils down to the ability of the players in a vacuum? Absolutely not. The Oilers are very deep at 1 position and very thin at another. They also need to move out cap space. This subtracts from their strength while adding to their weakness while also clearing 2M in cap.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If it's 2nd pairing deployment, why are 4 guys playing more than him?

Do I think Toronto gets the better player? Absolutely. Do I think this trade boils down to the ability of the players in a vacuum? Absolutely not. The Oilers are very deep at 1 position and very thin at another. They also need to move out cap space. This subtracts from their strength while adding to their weakness while also clearing 2M in cap.

Because good teams have defensive depth and Walman was the new guy meshing with new teammates. I already explained this.

Do you know how many LW’s there are? Left shots outnumber right shots roughly 7:3 at the NHL level. Left shot left wings are the most common position by far and the easiest to find. McMann isn’t the unicorn you’re trying to make him out to be.

“Do I think Toronto gets the better player? Absolutely!” Then we are done here. Pretty simple. There are way more routes to go down to clear cap space than selling low on Walman for absolutely no reason. Knies for Walman+, or McMann for Nurse 2 million retained, or there’s nothing more to discuss.

 

[Guitpik]

I don’t see OEL as an answer for the Kings. I’d rather see how Spence can play on his off side than trade Moore.

 

[AmadiosAmigos]

Kings fan's undervalue Moore. He's better and more impactful than a 34 year old OEL.

Even if we lose Gavrikov, Edmundson is already our 3rd pair LHD. OEL can't fill the 2nd/1st pair LHD we need.

If Trevor Moore has to be traded, it will likely be for cap space.

THIS.

All day long - OEL at 34 is not the answer. He was a buyout from Vancouver, his best days are behind him and we already have 2 LHD that play 3rd pair in Edmunson and Moverare. OEL is not an upgrade at all, as nice as one would be. Not to mention, Trevor Moore is worth more than OEL straight across. The number of fans saying they'd do it must be just willing to turf Moore regardless.

 

[Kurrilino]

How is OEL even remotely interesting for the Kings?
Not to mention, trading someone who can score 30 goals.

 

[La Bamba]

Wtf is this

 

[McSuper]

14 minutes/night is 3rd line minutes though. You stated Walman is better than his ice time dictates, can the same not be true for McMann?

Is he putting up 3rd line production because he's playing 3rd line with Domi or is he putting up 3rd line production because he's only a 3rd liner? He's 56th in 5v5 goals/60, that would point to 2nd line production.

I am completely fine with you personally not liking the deal but I do think the way you rate both players is biased which is why I am pushing back.

Walman was a cap dump less than 365 days ago.

GM do dumb stuff all the time. Nurse contract is a perfect example. Not getting anything for Marner is another example.

 

[Americanadian]

GM do dumb stuff all the time. Nurse contract is a perfect example. Not getting anything for Marner is another example.

Sounds like 31 GMs were being dumb. If Walman wasn’t valued as a cap dump last summer surely one of the non dumb GMs would have taken him for free.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Sounds like 31 GMs were being dumb. If Walman wasn’t valued as a cap dump last summer surely one of the non dumb GMs would have taken him for free.

1) His value last summer has absolutely zero to do with his value today

2) it was widely looked at as a massive mistake at the time

3) Edmonton has no obligation to sell him cheap because that’s what you want

 

[Prairie Habs]

Sounds like 31 GMs were being dumb. If Walman wasn’t valued as a cap dump last summer surely one of the non dumb GMs would have taken him for free.

Gustav forsling was claimed off waivers and immediately became a 20+ minute a night D for a team that won the presidents trophy then went to 3 cups.The canes GM was dumb for waiving him and every other GM in the league was dumb for not trading for him before he even hit waivers.

It happens.

 

[Americanadian]

Gustav forsling was claimed off waivers and immediately became a 20+ minute a night D for a team that won the presidents trophy then went to 3 cups.The canes GM was dumb for waiving him and every other GM in the league was dumb for not trading for him before he even hit waivers.

It happens.

I completely agree. I was never saying he isn't worth what Edmonton just paid for him.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Gustav forsling was claimed off waivers and immediately became a 20+ minute a night D for a team that won the presidents trophy then went to 3 cups.The canes GM was dumb for waiving him and every other GM in the league was dumb for not trading for him before he even hit waivers.

It happens.

Well said.

Sam Montembeault was a waiver claim. Edmonton needs a starter. Clearly Montreal should sell him to Edmonton cheap, because they got him cheap. That’s how it works, right?

 

[Americanadian]

Well said.

Sam Montembeault was a waiver claim. Edmonton needs a starter. Clearly Montreal should sell him to Edmonton cheap, because they got him cheap. That’s how it works, right?

You overrate Walman and underrate McMann in my opinion. That is your prerogative but there's no reason to re-hash this discussion that we had on page 1&2. You're responding to posts that are unrelated to the value of the players today and trying to re-open a discussion where we won't see eye to eye. Move on.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

You overrate Walman and underrate McMann in my opinion. That is your prerogative but there's no reason to re-hash this discussion that we had on page 1&2. You're responding to posts that are unrelated to the value of the players today and trying to re-open a discussion where we won't see eye to eye. Move on.

Everyone seems to get it except for you. That should tell you your estimation of Walman and McMann is wrong. You’re too stubborn to get it though, so I’m going to keep boosting people that DO get it, whether you like it or not.

 

[Americanadian]

Everyone seems to get it except for you. That should tell you your estimation of Walman and McMann is wrong. You’re too stubborn to get it though, so I’m going to keep boosting people that DO get it, whether you like it or not.

The post you boosted was not stating the proposed trade doesn't make sense today. Go read it again.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

The post you boosted was not stating the proposed trade doesn't make sense today. Go read it again.

It took a windmill dunk on your flawed logic that Walman’s value is somehow lessened by the fact that one GM deemed him a cap dump. That’s the point. Another one you missed.

 

[Americanadian]

It took a windmill dunk on your flawed logic that Walman’s value is somehow lessened by the fact that one GM deemed him a cap dump. That’s the point. Another one you missed.

I never said his value is lessened by the fact that he was a cap dump.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I never said his value is lessened by the fact that he was a cap dump.

So here’s you bringing up that he was a “cap dump” less than 365 days ago. Why did you do it, if not in an effort lessen his value?

 

[Americanadian]

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So here’s you bringing up that he was a “cap dump” less than 365 days ago. Why did you do it, if not in an effort lessen his value?

Trying to bring your bias back to reality.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Trying to bring your bias back to reality.

… so trying to lessen his value.

Good talk champ.

 

[AmadiosAmigos]

Walman >>>>>> McMann

McMann is a nice player, who's benefited from playing on a deep offensive team. He is not what Edmonton needs at the expense of Walman, not to mention how he is not close to him straight up in value.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Why is a #3 5th in ice time among defenseman?

Probably because they have four top 4 defensemen who play the left side. He's certainly not playing ahead of a healthy Ekholm, and Nurse is the Oilers 2nd pair LD, and has solidified himself in that spot, so it comes down to playing #2RD on his off side, or letting Kulak do that and playing #3LD on his proper side. Knoblauch recognized the the Oilers #3RD spot was a weakness, and I think he preferred Walman playing with whoever was in that spot to help cover for that weakness.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Walman >>>>>> McMann

McMann is a nice player, who's benefited from playing on a deep offensive team. He is not what Edmonton needs at the expense of Walman, not to mention how he is not close to him straight up in value.

Exactly. I'd love to add McMann, but not for Walman, and I don't think the asking price for Toronto would line up with what I would give for him.

 

[bert]

Oilers will pass.
They are banking on Frederic to be their Bobby McMann. Walman will be Ekholm replacement after next season.

That is a god awful deal for Edmonton why on earth would they do that lol.