Proposal: TOR / DAL + TOR/STL + TOR/??

[WTFMAN99]

TOR
Nazem Kadri
Nikita Zaitsev

DAL
Radek Faksa
Stephen Johns
2nd 2019 or 3rd 2019 (Looking for input)

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Looking for an idea as to what St.Louis would be looking for from Toronto for Zach Sanford this off-season.

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What do you think Toronto could acquire for Connor Brown? 2.1M for another season and then RFA after this. He's been tried at at LW lately but he's more at home on the RW. Great penalty killer (good zone exit numbers as well). He's mostly been buried on the 4th line (Nylander, Marner and Kappy at RW) but given the upcoming cap crunch, he could be a casualty. He can play 3rd line well.

What would you be comfortable in offering for Brown from your own teams perspective?

Thanks.

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[Liferleafer]

Nobody is taking Zaitsev.

 

[FameFlame069]

I think the 2nd is on the wrong side, and Dal would probably want some retention
Kadri + Z(3.75M) + 2nd 20 + 3rd 22/23 for Faksa + Johns + 3rd 21(this is in the summer of 19)

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

TOR
Nazem Kadri
Nikita Zaitsev

DAL
Radek Faksa
Stephen Johns
2nd 2019 or 3rd 2019 (Looking for input)

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Looking for an idea as to what St.Louis would be looking for from Toronto for Zach Sanford this off-season.

--

What do you think Toronto could acquire for Connor Brown? 2.1M for another season and then RFA after this. He's been tried at at LW lately but he's more at home on the RW. Great penalty killer (good zone exit numbers as well). He's mostly been buried on the 4th line (Nylander, Marner and Kappy at RW) but given the upcoming cap crunch, he could be a casualty. He can play 3rd line well.

What would you be comfortable in offering for Brown from your own teams perspective?

Thanks.

But Z is too good to give up. Gonna need him on the Cup run.
Every TOR proposal, Z is always there.
I like to see Leafs fans squirm a bit

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think the 2nd is on the wrong side, and Dal would probably want some retention
Kadri + Z(3.75M) + 2nd 20 + 3rd 22/23 for Faksa + Johns + 3rd 21(this is in the summer of 19)

Retention wouldn't be an option.

 

[FameFlame069]

Retention wouldn't be an option.

Then add Sandin or Lilj and take out the 3rd's

 

[WTFMAN99]

Then add Sandin or Lilj and take out Dal's 3rd

Ridiculous.

Toronto is already significantly downgrading in Kadri to Faksa, and Johns is 2.3M 3rd pairing defenseman that hasn't played this year.

This reminds me of the Filpulla threads where teams were going to extract soooo much out of Tampa when it ultimately cost them a 7th to move Filpulla and his large salary. He also had a nmc going into an expansion draft.

I also remember to get Muzzin it was going to take 1 of Sandin or Liljegren in the deal.

If the above deal wasn't appealing to Dallas, no problem, we'd move on.

 

[FameFlame069]

Ridiculous.

Toronto is already significantly downgrading in Kadri to Faksa, and Johns is 2.3M 3rd pairing defenseman that hasn't played this year.

This reminds me of the Filpulla threads where teams were going to extract soooo much out of Tampa when it ultimately cost them a 7th to move Filpulla and his large salary. He also had a nmc going into an expansion draft.

I also remember to get Muzzin it was going to take 1 of Sandin or Liljegren in the deal.

If the above deal wasn't appealing to Dallas, no problem, we'd move on.

Z will cost a top prospect, just like Bickell did, yes hesh better than Bickell, but his contract is way longer, he costed TT, who would be a comparable to him? Sandin/Lilj/Kap I would say are the only candidates

 

[WTFMAN99]

Z will cost a top prospect, just like Bickell did, yes hesh better than Bickell, but his contract is way longer, he costed TT, who would be a comparable to him? Sandin/Lilj/Kap I would say are the only candidates

Zaitsev is significantly better than Bickell. He is simply buried in defensive zone starts with a partner he has no chemistry with.

Again, if Dallas has no appetite for the deal, no problem. It was going to suck to lose Kadri ultimately in this deal but it isn't the end of the world if it doesn't go through either.

 

[FameFlame069]

Zaitsev is significantly better than Bickell. He is simply buried in defensive zone starts with a partner he has no chemistry with.

Again, if Dallas has no appetite for the deal, no problem. It was going to suck to lose Kadri ultimately in this deal but it isn't the end of the world if it doesn't go through either.

You're absolutely crazy if you think a team will take him with no retention of top prospect going with him, but you're a leafs fan, so I understand .

 

[WTFMAN99]

You're absolutely crazy if you think a team will take him with no retention of top prospect going with him, but you're a leafs fan, so I understand .

No, I have just seen a lot of deals that this board said would never happen.

Luke Schenn was supposed to come with a 1st for JVR

Nashville was supposed to add to Seth Jones to get Johansen.

Filpulla was supposed to cost a top prospect or a 2nd along with him to get a team to take him for Tampa

Victor Rask would be "lol in b4 the lock" if he was offered for Nino Neiderrieter

Phaneuf needed retention and/or a great pick included with him.

Pretty sure Muzzin wasn't coming to Toronto without a 1st and 1 of Sandin/Liljegren attached.

Zaitsev may or may not be moved this year but I would bet a significant sum of money that it will take a considerably smaller addition to Zaitsev to move the contract, or none at all to move him, much to this boards surprise.

So please, don't tell me about how trades work little man.

 

[FameFlame069]

No, I have just seen a lot of deals that this board said would never happen.

Luke Schenn was supposed to come with a 1st for JVR

Nashville was supposed to add to Seth Jones to get Johansen.

Filpulla was supposed to cost a top prospect or a 2nd along with him to get a team to take him for Tampa

Victor Rask would be "lol in b4 the lock" if he was offered for Nino Neiderrieter

Phaneuf needed retention and/or a great pick included with him.

Pretty sure Muzzin wasn't coming to Toronto without a 1st and 1 of Sandin/Liljegren attached.

Zaitsev may or may not be moved this year but I would bet a significant sum of money that it will take a considerably smaller addition to Zaitsev to move the contract, or none at all to move him, much to this boards surprise.

So please, don't tell me about how trades work little man.

Since when was Jones/Johansen never been a fair trade? Both teams traded from strengths for weakness, I wasn't on this board when Schenn-JVR were traded, I never seen anyone say Flip needed a too prospect of 2nd, so I must have missed those threads, Rask-Nino were also a strength vs weakness trade, both teams have had decent stretches since that trade(mainly Minn), Phanuef brought back what 3 cap dumps? So not really worth mentioning unless you're willing to take dumps and not young players, did I miss anything? Sorry lil man, keep being delusional though.

 

[FameFlame069]

Leafs got muzzin for a fair price, and it costed them a 1st and B rated prospect, I would of easily paid that to bring him to the flames

 

[WTFMAN99]

Since when was Jones/Johansen never been a fair trade? Both teams traded from strengths for weakness, I wasn't on this board when Schenn-JVR were traded, I never seen anyone say Flip needed a too prospect of 2nd, so I must have missed those threads, Rask-Nino were also a strength vs weakness trade, both teams have had decent stretches since that trade(mainly Minn), Phanuef brought back what 3 cap dumps? So not really worth mentioning unless you're willing to take dumps and not young players, did I miss anything? Sorry lil man, keep being delusional though.

This is getting embarrassing (for you) now.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

No, I have just seen a lot of deals that this board said would never happen.

Luke Schenn was supposed to come with a 1st for JVR

Nashville was supposed to add to Seth Jones to get Johansen.

Filpulla was supposed to cost a top prospect or a 2nd along with him to get a team to take him for Tampa

Victor Rask would be "lol in b4 the lock" if he was offered for Nino Neiderrieter

Phaneuf needed retention and/or a great pick included with him.

Pretty sure Muzzin wasn't coming to Toronto without a 1st and 1 of Sandin/Liljegren attached.

Zaitsev may or may not be moved this year but I would bet a significant sum of money that it will take a considerably smaller addition to Zaitsev to move the contract, or none at all to move him, much to this boards surprise.

So please, don't tell me about how trades work little man.

Jones - Johansen was seen as fair. It was rumoured they could have gotten RNH yet wanted an add on Edmonton’s side. They shouldn’t have moved Jones, I said it then but they took the player in Johansen they needed

 

[Satan]

Too much money going to Dallas

 

[WTFMAN99]

Jones - Johansen was seen as fair. It was rumoured they could have gotten RNH yet wanted an add on Edmonton’s side. They shouldn’t have moved Jones, I said it then but they took the player in Johansen they needed

I watched a lot of those threads prior and it was suggested by most (not all) that 1 for 1 wouldn't be enough to get Johansen. No one will own up to it now because they'd look silly but I was here for those threads.

Too much money going to Dallas

I actually played on Capfriendly quite a bit, Dallas isn't really hurting in terms of making this trade, signing their own, they still have quite a bit of cap space for anything they'd like. Also have a fantastic 2C locked in at a good rate.

 

[joe dirte]

But Z is too good to give up. Gonna need him on the Cup run.
Every TOR proposal, Z is always there.
I like to see Leafs fans squirm a bit

He's not a bad dman, and I think you'll be surprised, he'll get shipped in the offseason. He won't get a big return, but he'll basically be given away (late round pick or something).

He's not a bad dman, he'll be fine on someone else's second pairing. The Leafs just need the cap space.

You can laugh all you want, the Leafs have too many good players. It's really not a bad problem to have. Would you rather be a team like the Panthers, who just don't have the players to pay, and are on the outside looking in?

 

[FameFlame069]

This is getting embarrassing (for you) now.

You posted trades that aren't even close to being near Z's level, maybe Dion's trade, but he was better, had leadership and experience, he did help Ottawa out with his experience and leadership

 

[joe dirte]

TOR
Nazem Kadri
Nikita Zaitsev

DAL
Radek Faksa
Stephen Johns
2nd 2019 or 3rd 2019 (Looking for input)

----

Looking for an idea as to what St.Louis would be looking for from Toronto for Zach Sanford this off-season.

--

What do you think Toronto could acquire for Connor Brown? 2.1M for another season and then RFA after this. He's been tried at at LW lately but he's more at home on the RW. Great penalty killer (good zone exit numbers as well). He's mostly been buried on the 4th line (Nylander, Marner and Kappy at RW) but given the upcoming cap crunch, he could be a casualty. He can play 3rd line well.

What would you be comfortable in offering for Brown from your own teams perspective?

Thanks.

No, they're not trading Kadri.

 

[joe dirte]

You posted trades that aren't even close to being near Z's level, maybe Dion's trade, but he was better, had leadership and experience, he did help Ottawa out with his experience and leadership

By the time he was traded, he had declined, and was not better than Zaitsev is right now at all.

There are articles around the time of the trade calling him the worst contract in the entire NHL.

He was on the second pairing at time of trade, and not succeeding at it either. He put up 17 ES points in 51 games, and was a mess defensively.

Phaneuf was pretty good when he first came to Toronto, but he steadily declined, and was barely a second pairing Dman by the time he was dumped on Ottawa.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I watched a lot of those threads prior and it was suggested by most (not all) that 1 for 1 wouldn't be enough to get Johansen. No one will own up to it now because they'd look silly but I was here for those threads.



I actually played on Capfriendly quite a bit, Dallas isn't really hurting in terms of making this trade, signing their own, they still have quite a bit of cap space for anything they'd like. Also have a fantastic 2C locked in at a good rate.

There’s always people without a clue, that doesn’t change the facts. It was a solid hockey trade by any definition. I personally hated it as I wanted Jones for RNH. Who wouldn’t though.

Jones is the most valuable defender in the league based on play, contract and age. I’ll admit he’s much better than I thought he’d become. I’m just saying it’s not a great example.

I 100% agree on the Rask-Nino trade. It’s brutal return and I have a hard time believing another team wouldn’t have addressed Minny needs with a better offer.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

He's not a bad dman, and I think you'll be surprised, he'll get shipped in the offseason. He won't get a big return, but he'll basically be given away (late round pick or something).

He's not a bad dman, he'll be fine on someone else's second pairing. The Leafs just need the cap space.

You can laugh all you want, the Leafs have too many good players. It's really not a bad problem to have. Would you rather be a team like the Panthers, who just don't have the players to pay, and are on the outside looking in?

Better hurry up and unload him then, his modified NTC kicks in next year.
I dont think its gonna be as easy as you think. You're gonna need to offer up a fair bit to get some GM to swallow nearly $22 million for a bottom pairing guy.

Leafs haven't done much in the last 20 years so no sense throwing stones. Just find it funny Z is in literally every TOR trade offer.

 

[Satan]

I actually played on Capfriendly quite a bit, Dallas isn't really hurting in terms of making this trade, signing their own, they still have quite a bit of cap space for anything they'd like. Also have a fantastic 2C locked in at a good rate.

I know Dallas’ cap situation.

They’ll have ~20M to fill 8 or so contracts and give Lindell a raise to 4.5M+. They’re not in a position to take on Zaitsevs anchor of a contract for 5 years even if it means getting Kadri on a solid contract.

 

[WTFMAN99]

There’s always people without a clue, that doesn’t change the facts. It was a solid hockey trade by any definition. I personally hated it as I wanted Jones for RNH. Who wouldn’t though.

Jones is the most valuable defender in the league based on play, contract and age. I’ll admit he’s much better than I thought he’d become. I’m just saying it’s not a great example.

I 100% agree on the Rask-Nino trade. It’s brutal return and I have a hard time believing another team wouldn’t have addressed Minny needs with a better offer.

These are just classic examples off the top of my head from this board. A lot of people change their stance after the deals happened.

I don't think Zaitsev will have any money retained simply because the Leafs need to be efficient with their cap, no dollar can be wasted.

I have a feeling they'll have to take back another unattractive contract (in this case, I chose Johns) and maybe add a pick or a prospect. The suggestion that it will be Kappy, Liljegren or Sandin is laughable though, those players aren't being made available for valuable players...we definitely wouldn't attach one to dump Zaitsev.

I saw a need for Dallas at the 2C position, if the Leafs take Johns back in the deal, a spot opens up at RD. Leafs (significantly) downgrade at centre to Faksa, probably stay about on par with Zaitsev-Johns swap, if Johns even comes back.