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Confirmed Trade: [TOR/CBJ/SJS] N. Foligno (75% retained), S. Noesen to TOR; '21 1st and '22 4th to CBJ; '21 4th to SJ

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JoemAvs

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majormajor said:
I've just been setting the record straight on Foligno as a player, not saying to any particular fanbase that this is the player for you, not selling the player. To each their own.

But I can't quite understand why Colorado fans are so attached to their late 1st pick. Why is a ~30th OA pick so important to you, especially when you have 1) that team that should be gunning for the cup right now, and 2) haven't struck gold on a draft pick outside of the top 10 picks in 12 years. Foligno can absolutely be the difference between winning it all and getting knocked out, and you'd rather have the 30th?
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Missed it earlier.

Its not about the 30th overall (even though I would argue it is more valuable than usual because nobody actually knows how the eff you should rank the top prospects so you are more likely to get a steal there this season).

Its about value and building your team into a contender for the longrun.

Also about expectations.
IMO people on here are vastly overrating how likely is it to win a cup even if you really had the best roster in the league by a lot (which you won't this season with Tampa in the league).
You still don't have more than 12-15 % at the very most to win it all. The Avs are probably in that range already. How much does Foligno really move the needle?
Could he be the final piece to push us over the top? Sure. Is it likely? Not really and we will never know one way or the other (because we can't create parallel universes just yet...)

I also don't believe that Foligno all of a sudden makes the Avs favorites against the Lightning once they add Kucherov for free for the playoffs or that it would make them overwhelming favorites against teams like Carolina or even Vegas to a lesser extent.

Winning in the playoffs is tough and a lot comes down to luck at the end of the day and things like chemistry, matchups and injuries. Thats why I think trading highly valuable pieces (and 1sts are among the most valuable assets in this league especially in a flat cap world) for marginal upgrades that don't drastically improve your chances is a very stupid strategy...

Avs will be in trouble capwise down the road. That 1st at the draft can help make that go away or atleast help alleviate them. Or fetch you a proper replacement for players you had to let walk due to the cap. Or land you a cheap replacement for someone you will lose down the road.
Avs got Devon Toews who is de facto playing as their #1 D minutewise atleast right now for 2 2nds last summer. ROR got traded for a 1st and a few mediocre prospects.

You can just get so much more for your assets if you don't indulge in this deadline stupidity where GMs routinely lose their minds ...
Just make your moves in the offseason. There really is no excuse just because other teams use an artificial date to re-adjust their roster in the middle of the season to get pressured into making bad decisions.
So thats what you should do. Not throw away premium assets for a guy that arguably shouldn't even play in the top9 for the Avs considering how well their current 3rd line is playing and that I don't want either Nuke or Donskoi playing 4th line minutes...
 
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majormajor said:
I've just been setting the record straight on Foligno as a player, not saying to any particular fanbase that this is the player for you, not selling the player. To each their own.

But I can't quite understand why Colorado fans are so attached to their late 1st pick. Why is a ~30th OA pick so important to you, especially when you have 1) that team that should be gunning for the cup right now, and 2) haven't struck gold on a draft pick outside of the top 10 picks in 12 years. Foligno can absolutely be the difference between winning it all and getting knocked out, and you'd rather have the 30th?
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Opportunity cost. I don't really care if we do keep the pick, but this isn't where I'd use it.
 
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This kind of deal is going to get ridiculed by fans but really how it turns out depends on what the Leafs can do in the playoffs.

If the Leafs go deep and Foligno is playing an important role for them, I'll have a really tough time criticizing them for trading a 1st for him, even if it's an "overpayment" on paper.
 
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Didn't Tampa make a similar deal last year? Foligno brings girt, playoff experience, a veteran player who is good on both sides of the puck. Leafs have 4 superstar forwards, this is who they need.
 
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BrookswasHere44 said:
Convince me how Foligno is worth a first, go!
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He isn't, not even with double retention but I can see why they got him

Leafs like to have one guy on every line that is physical or forechecks hard to get the puck back to the stars. On the top line it's Hyman, on the second line it's Galchenyuk. That leaves the third line which didn't have an identity till Hyman started playing with Mikheyev and Engvall. They together formed a really good shutdown line (played head to head against McDavid and Draisaitl and shut them out completely in 3 straight games without Matthews for 2 of them) but left the 1st line wing position exposed.

I bet Foligno plays with Matthews and Marner or Nylander and Tavares so they can reunite that third line of Mikheyev, Engvall and Hyman.

A cost of a 1st, even a weak draft seems like a lot but I won't complain if the Leafs win but till then, it's not good.
 
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