Rumor: TOR and John Tavares close to a deal: 3 years at 7 million

[Action Jackson]

Leaf fan logic

Trade for Schenn at 3 years x6.5m YAY

Tavares for 3x7m? NO WAY

Tavares is on another level then Schenn and Tavares is signing his deal in the new cap era. It’s not close. Tavares is easily worth 7x3 and that’s a tradeable asset not some kind of weight.

Now is it a true hometown discount? Not really. I’d obviously hope to sign him for less. But it’s one thing to try to leverage him to take less than he deserves vs saying he doesn’t deserve this. He does. And to suggest otherwise is ridiculous when you look at comparables.

Leaf fans are so out of line to the disrespect they show this man.

100% facts

 

[Confucius]

Well you must love this team because you get six months of regular season and two weeks of playoffs every year. For me the playoffs are way more important and I’m guessing I’m not alone in that.

Well let’s think this through, just who must love this team. Lmao
I follow the team all year round and get 6 months of hockey that I find worth my time. As a bonus I get 2 weeks of the all important playoffs.

You on the other hand follow the team all year round for the 2 weeks..

Who is wasting their time and must love this team?

 

[Gabriel426]

Maybe he waits and sees what happens with Knies and Marner, but at the end of the day we don’t find replacement for JT for 7 million

Think you are over rating JT

 

[Action Jackson]

Think you are over rating JT

Seeing Brayden Schenn get 6.5m AAV makes me want to sign JT for 7 and RUN - especially with the cap going up.

 

[Gabriel426]

Seeing Brayden Schenn get 6.5m AAV makes me want to sign JT for 7 and RUN - especially with the cap going up.

But we are not getting Schenn, at least not at this moment.
Schenn at 3.25mil is acceptable but the cost will be very high
Either way, stay away from Schenn

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Seeing Brayden Schenn get 6.5m AAV makes me want to sign JT for 7 and RUN - especially with the cap going up.

100%....

and why is this "RUMOUR" Thread still a thing, when it obviously hasn't happened since the article was created, meaning the rumour itself was false - and so is the reported deal they were close on. Time to start a new JT thread again that isn't about thia fake contract for gawds sake..

 

[Confucius]

Think you are over rating JT

Well name a name we can get to replace him for 7, never mind the 5 I’m reading. lol!

 

[KPower]

JT has zero interest leaving Toronto.

Offer him 1 year at $6 million. Take it or leave it.

 

[Gabriel426]

Well name a name we can get to replace him for 7, never mind the 5 I’m reading. lol!

UFA- Bennett.
Trades-Coyle, and ROR, they might not score as many as him but overall impact esp in playoffs would be better

 

[Ports]

Well that’s not really logical at all. They are both capable players. If you don’t want to pay Schenns acquisition cost that’s understandable (and I agree) but if he was free like Tavares is? Then your reasoning isn’t tied to anything other than emotion. You still need to replace him with a second line C who does what he does and scores the goals he does, and you aren’t getting that at a 7M price on July 1st. Not even close. So you can just be like this guy sucks I don’t want him if you want to, but with no context as to what the alternative is it just comes off as whiny baby nonsense. You can’t be like he’s not worth the money but then turn around when asked how you would spend that money and say well I don’t know that’s not my problem. And if it’s not a free agent, then you have to factor in acquisition cost too. These players don’t grow on trees. There’s a finite amount of them and not easily acquire able. You have to at least partially exist in the real world here. If you refuse to pay Tavares 7M if that’s his line, not only are we in massive trouble replacing that production, it ripples upward and down the lineup. We badly need a 3C and we are going to let our 2c walk for nothing when we are getting good value? It’s insane thinking unless we are just blowing this thing up (and if that’s your desire then I don’t know what to tell you).

He’s 35 and in a contract year. Who knows how long it will be before the wheels fall off and he’s a 3LW. He’s won two playoff rounds in 15 years in the league. He had two points in the seven game series against Boston last year. He’s not irreplaceable and this core group doesn’t work. There’s an argument to be made that Dubas jumped the gun when they signed him to $11Mx7. If he wants to remain a Leaf, pay him what you would pay a 3LW. Otherwise good luck to him.

 

[Ports]

Well let’s think this through, just who must love this team. Lmao
I follow the team all year round and get 6 months of hockey that I find worth my time. As a bonus I get 2 weeks of the all important playoffs.

You on the other hand follow the team all year round for the 2 weeks..

Who is wasting their time and must love this team?

I have followed the team for 60+ years and believe me I’ve had a lot of regular season entertainment from good Leafs teams. The difference is those teams also had playoff success. Your take of not caring about playoff success is just an excuse to support players who can’t get it done in the playoffs. As far as the Leafs fanbase goes, it’s known as Blue and White disease.

 

[Confucius]

UFA- Bennett.
Trades-Coyle, and ROR, they might not score as many as him but overall impact esp in playoffs would be better

39 point guy Bennett, 1/2 the production of JT
39 point guy -18, ROR? again 1/2 the player JT is. And rumor is he doesn’t want to play here anyway.

Bennett, 675 games played 320 points.
Not at all an improvement

 

[Racer88]

Seeing Brayden Schenn get 6.5m AAV makes me want to sign JT for 7 and RUN - especially with the cap going up.

On paper ya, but we have had JT for 7 years now and gone nowhere in the playoffs. What makes you think it will be any different in the twilight of his career

 

[Gabriel426]

39 point guy Bennet, 1/2 the production of JT
39 point guy ROR again 1/2 the player JT is.
675 games played 320 points.
Not at all an improvement

If you take away PP goals and points.

Bennett has the same number of goals as JT and only 5 pts less than JT this season.
Who Do you think can maintain this season pace for the next few years, Bennett or JT?

Bennett showed he can performs in the playoffs while JT showed he choked in the playoffs.

Bennett is giving me prime ROR vibe while JT is giving me Patty Marleau vibe.

I don’t understand anyone fascination of JT remaining as a Leafs beyond this season if Leafs crashes out in the first round again.

Let’s stop acting like JT is Sid 2.0 or Sid Lite bc he is not even close

 

[Racer88]

If you take away PP goals and points.

Bennett has the same number of goals as JT and only 5 pts less than JT this season.
Who Do you think can maintain this season pace for the next few years, Bennett or JT?

Bennett showed he can performs in the playoffs while JT showed he choked in the playoffs.

Bennett is giving me prime ROR vibe while JT is giving me Patty Marleau vibe.

I don’t understand anyone fascination of JT remaining as a Leafs beyond this season if Leafs crashes out in the first round again.

Let’s stop acting like JT is Sid 2.0 or Sid Lite bc he is not even close

Yup 7 years of playoff failure with Tavares is more then enought

 

[hotpaws]

Yup 7 years of playoff failure with Tavares is more then enough

not for some of our fans !

 

[Racer88]

not for some of our fans !

That’s true. Some are paralyzed by fear

 

[Gabriel426]

Yup 7 years of playoff failure with Tavares is more then enought

not for some of our fans !

Yep.
Like if JT takes 4.5mil(after deferred). I am fine with that even if Leafs crashes out in the playoffs but the contract will not have NTC or NMC plus he is not on the PP unless Leafs had no one better.
But at 7mil, he better leads the Leafs to the Cup or Finals and plays lights out(which he never done in his whole career) in the playoffs.

 

[BigBlu]

If he extends he'll probably have a full NMC anyways

Not my point at all.

Point is, any other team looks at that 3x7 contract as a bad contract.

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We don’t owe Johnny anything. His next contract needs to be exceedingly value-oriented. After the last overpay and no Cups, the failed Captain owes us that. 3×7 is embarrassing and toxic across the league.

 

[yubbers]

Would you rather Marchand over JT?

I would

 

[BigBlu]

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Insufferable.

I musta tried to shut this dumb shyt down or sumthin'..

 

[A1LeafNation]

Have the Leafs even thought about the future of their 2nd Line C?

They gonna resign Tavares for 7m, were abouy to trade for Brock Nelson at 33, Schenn is also 33.

Nothing in the pipeline. This front office has no foresight.

 

[tuckerintensity]

If you take away PP goals and points.

Bennett has the same number of goals as JT and only 5 pts less than JT this season.

Stay with me here guys, but if you take away a whole bunch of reasons JT is better than Bennett, he's then only 18% better points wise than Bennett.

 

[Ports]

Not enough options and prices are too high right now. Leafs management will have a better opportunity to make trades or sign free agents in the offseason. They’re going to give their core five a ninth try to go deep in the playoffs and after they likely fail, they will have up to $22M to sign a couple of centres and a top four RD with way more options to consider than from the few sellers right now.