Rumor: TOR and John Tavares close to a deal: 3 years at 7 million

[ULF_55]

By that rationale, you shouldn't want any of our core back.

Well, last 5 years:
What is the cut-off?

P/GP
Auston Matthews 1
William Nylander 0.94
Mitch Marner 0.89
Ryan O'Reilly 0.82
Morgan Rielly 0.68
Alex Galchenyuk 0.67
John Tavares 0.61
Tyler Bertuzzi 0.57
Max Domi 0.57

 

[keonsbitterness]

Well, last 5 years:
What is the cut-off?

P/GP
Auston Matthews 1
William Nylander 0.94
Mitch Marner 0.89
Ryan O'Reilly 0.82
Morgan Rielly 0.68
Alex Galchenyuk 0.67
John Tavares 0.61
Tyler Bertuzzi 0.57
Max Domi 0.57

REBUILD!!!

 

[arso40]

REBUILD!!!

Retool

 

[Fogelhund]

He got paid the 5th highest contract in the NHL.

Since he joined the Leafs, in the playoffs among active players he ranks 36th in goals per game and 44th in points per game.

Why do we need to pay a proven loser who failed spectacularly with one of the most talented groups in the NHL to do anything meaningful market value?

We don't and we shouldn't. He could go from zero to hero if he took a massive discount, but he's not serious about winning or his love for Toronto so he won't which is the horrible example he set that now Matthews/Nylander/Marner replicate and uphold.

My my... we need to play some actual games, and go on a winning streak, so that some of you go in hiding again.

The rest, it seems you are arguing with yourself, as you certainly aren't countering anything I've said.

 

[Aashir]

Just look at his playoff totals…

This guy is a 3C right now, in 90% of the series’s he’s played for the leafs, a defensive 3C like Danault, Jordan Staal, Cirelli/Paul, Pageau, Gourde would provide the exact same to better value at 25-50% of the cost.

I know it’s unreasonable, but tbh I am in camp don’t bring him back at any realistic price. Maybe at 2-3M, but he doesn’t fit the teams needs then. If he isn’t playing with Marner or nylander or PP1, then he’s gonna struggle to even put up 40 points I think, he’s also buttcheeks defensively as he isn’t smart or fast to make plays and just gets hemmed in and lost.

He’s a good regular season player, but one of the worst playoff players I’ve ever seen play hockey for the leafs.

 

[Fogelhund]

REBUILD!!!

Half of the fan base is angry already... this would be such a fun place if we rebuild, and miss the playoffs for the next five to seven seasons in doing so.

 

[hotpaws]

Claims to do an objective evaluation, then uses mostly subjective descriptions.

There is no proof his production is dependent on others.
Plays more like a winger: What?
Declining? By putting up more points than last year? Better all round play? Declining?
Yes, the team has accomplished nothing with him in the playoffs.. but the same could be said of every other player... I mean, let's just get rid of them all, just for fun.
It just seems you've got Tavares hate in your head, and can't do objective, or subjective. I think you'll be hard pressed to find that I've suggested him signing at 7mil is a discount....

i actually gave objection evaluations like his ppg in the playoffs and how the teams done nothing with him , unlike yourself who just just gave a biased list of reasons why the team would be doomed without him and you literally said ''if he'll come at somewhat of a discount'' so it seems you feel 7m per is a discount

By that rationale, you shouldn't want any of our core back.

my rationale is that we'd be better off without him like the Islanders were

 

[ULF_55]

Just look at his playoff totals…

This guy is a 3C right now, in 90% of the series’s he’s played for the leafs, a defensive 3C like Danault, Jordan Staal, Cirelli/Paul, Pageau, Gourde would provide the exact same to better value at 25-50% of the cost.

I know it’s unreasonable, but tbh I am in camp don’t bring him back at any realistic price. Maybe at 2-3M, but he doesn’t fit the teams needs then. If he isn’t playing with Marner or nylander or PP1, then he’s gonna struggle to even put up 40 points I think, he’s also buttcheeks defensively as he isn’t smart or fast to make plays and just gets hemmed in and lost.

He’s a good regular season player, but one of the worst playoff players I’ve ever seen play hockey for the leafs.

Your post lead me to:

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www.nhl.com

 

[The Shadow]

Paid like a 1C produces like a 3C in the spring

 

[Schennanigans]

His play this year is the most he’s going to be doing. He should be getting 5-6. I expect those 3 years for him to average to about 50-60 points.

 

[Fogelhund]

i actually gave objection evaluations like his ppg in the playoffs and how the teams done nothing with him , unlike yourself who just just gave a biased list of reasons why the team would be doomed without him and you literally said ''if he'll come at somewhat of a discount'' so it seems you feel 7m per is a discount


my rationale is that we'd be better off without him like the Islanders were

Objective is indeed his PPG in the playoffs. Attributing team success to one player, is subjective.
Putting up more points this year, than last, is objective... not biased. Saying earlier he is in the top 30 of C's scoring this year, is objective. Saying he's a top C previously in this thread, in faceoffs, is subjective... it's a number.

"Doomed"... more dramatic than my teenage step-daughters. That's never been implied... just that there aren't better Free Agent options... which is true, and there hasn't really been any attempt to rebut that, just more drama. Y

You keep getting mad, and wanting to throw everything out, and continue to argue, but then present no options with how to make the team better... I mean that's the goal we ALL want right? Make the team better.... We are better off without him... as your rational.. The list is simple... Bennett, Granlund, Gourde, Duchene, Dvorak, Kerfoot... First two will be more expensive, neither are better, Bennett's play style will see a massive regression, Gourde is already regressing worse... though as a cheaper 3C, sure... Duchene, as a platoon C with Tavares would be great... Dvorak lol, Kerfoot LOL... I think if you can fit the cap in, you want Tavares PLUS one of the others... not instead of... and I've repeated that, and you've ignored it.

You must think of what the options are, if you are getting rid of him.... and which you think are better... How are you replacing him? What if they sign with someone else, and Tavares has moved on too?

To help you out, in this difficult time on being unable to read prior posts... I said I hope he comes in around $5-5.5 mil, on a deferred contract... I don't care if they pay him worth $7 mil... just get the cap down to the fives, or below... hell, give him a 8 years x $3 mil contract, and put him on LTIR when his equipment gets "itchy". When you assume someone feels $7 mil is a discount are far too lazy to even read what's been posted... what are you even trying to accomplish?

 

[hotpaws]

Objective is indeed his PPG in the playoffs. Attributing team success to one player, is subjective.
Putting up more points this year, than last, is objective... not biased. Saying earlier he is in the top 30 of C's scoring this year, is objective. Saying he's a top C previously in this thread, in faceoffs, is subjective... it's a number.

"Doomed"... more dramatic than my teenage step-daughters. That's never been implied... just that there aren't better Free Agent options... which is true, and there hasn't really been any attempt to rebut that, just more drama. Y

You keep getting mad, and wanting to throw everything out, and continue to argue, but then present no options with how to make the team better... I mean that's the goal we ALL want right? Make the team better.... We are better off without him... as your rational.. The list is simple... Bennett, Granlund, Gourde, Duchene, Dvorak, Kerfoot... First two will be more expensive, neither are better, Bennett's play style will see a massive regression, Gourde is already regressing worse... though as a cheaper 3C, sure... Duchene, as a platoon C with Tavares would be great... Dvorak lol, Kerfoot LOL... I think if you can fit the cap in, you want Tavares PLUS one of the others... not instead of... and I've repeated that, and you've ignored it.

You must think of what the options are, if you are getting rid of him.... and which you think are better... How are you replacing him? What if they sign with someone else, and Tavares has moved on to?

To help you out, in this difficult time on being unable to read prior posts... I said I hope he comes in around $5-5.5 mil, on a deferred contract... I don't care if they pay him worth $7 mil... just get the cap down to the fives, or below... hell, give him a 8 years x $3 mil contract, and put him on LTIR when his equipment gets "itchy". When you assume someone feels $7 mil is a discount are far too lazy to even read what's been posted... what are you even trying to accomplish?

these are the facts

-JT's production substantially drops in the playoffs to a 50pt pace
-he hasn't helped us win in his first 6 yrs with us
-the Islanders , a team that was said to be a group of trash that poor JT had to carry on his back for 9 yrs won playoff series in 4 out of the last 6 seasons and went to 2 conference finals that second he left

but according to you there isn't another player available that we could acquire that could possibly be better for us , because um , because you say so and that there's no way JT could possible continue to regress between the ages of 35-37 which is the contract length that is being discussed in this thread

and i'll just add there isn't any downside in letting him walk since we've accomplished nothing with him

 

[Aashir]

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If we were to make a lineup based off of playoff totals and play I think tavares would be on the B team....

for a team with as little success, and successful playoff players as us that is impressively bad. This was a guy who was signed to the largest AAV for a FA and was a top 10 paid player for almost the entirety of the contract, and yet he is a ~50 point player when the games matter...

He can take a hike IMO

 

[IPS]

these are the facts

-JT's production substantially drops in the playoffs to a 50pt pace
-he hasn't helped us win in his first 6 yrs with us
-the Islanders , a team that was said to be a group of trash that poor JT had to carry on his back for 9 yrs won playoff series in 4 out of the last 6 seasons and went to 2 conference finals that second he left

but according to you there isn't another player available that we could acquire that could possibly be better for us , because um , because you say so and that there's no way JT could possible continue to regress between the ages of 35-37 which is the contract length that is being being discussed in this thread

and i'll just add there isn't any downside in letting him walk since we've accomplished nothing with him

It's almost like a reflex for this fanbase to defend overpaid shitty players at this point. Yeah just simply no possible way at all we could find a center to thrive with Marner or Willy, inconceivable, impossible, need to re-sign Johnny.

 

[Confucius]

Texas is great. No income tax, the houses are like a quarter of the price of Toronto, significantly better weather. I got cousins in Dallas, they always tell us to move down there lol.

The country has changed big time

 

[Fogelhund]

these are the facts

-JT's production substantially drops in the playoffs to a 50pt pace
-he hasn't helped us win in his first 6 yrs with us
-the Islanders , a team that was said to be a group of trash that poor JT had to carry on his back for 9 yrs won playoff series in 4 out of the last 6 seasons and went to 2 conference finals that second he left

but according to you there isn't another player available that we could acquire that could possibly be better for us , because um , because you say so and that there's no way JT could possible continue to regress between the ages of 35-37 which is the contract length that is being being discussed in this thread

and i'll just add there isn't any downside in letting him walk since we've accomplished nothing with him

Just another poster who likes to spin, argue and not answer any questions.

How are you replacing him?

What if they sign with someone else, and Tavares has moved on too?

Is not making the playoffs, worse than what we've had?

 

[thewave]

Your post lead me to:

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Imagine my shock when I read the list and the only time we legit almost went to the cup and probably should have been in it was with Dougie putting up a Crosby, McDavid, Mario type numbers.

Sundin had some strong team and showings as well but more a team effort.

Mitch's value hasn't tanked, he's performed exactly as he has performed year after year in pressure situations. They already rewarded him with $11m, next deal starts at $13m like it or not.

Oh OK. Here.

We aren't going to pay you 13m. Come down or go to FA.

Done deal. Was that hard. Good luck finding someone else to pay 13m. Big time sucker

 

[hotpaws]

Just another poster who likes to spin, argue and not answer any questions.

How are you replacing him?

What if they sign with someone else, and Tavares has moved on too?

Is not making the playoffs, worse than what we've had?

What did i spin ? Everything i wrote in the post you replied to is fact

-JT produces at a 50 pt pace - fact
-JT hasn't helped the team meet our goals - fact
-the Islanders playoff record without him - fact

and your probably one of the few people that believe the Leafs would miss the playoffs without him and even in the slight chance they did who gives a damn over missing or getting knocked out of the first rd again

 

[hotpaws]

It's almost like a reflex for this fanbase to defend overpaid shitty players at this point. Yeah just simply no possible way at all we could find a center to thrive with Marner or Willy, inconceivable, impossible, need to re-sign Johnny.

yup without JT Mitch and Willie would be producing at 3rd line or worse levels , lol

when it comes to JT it's more like every fan base rises to defend him dating back to jr , it's been 20 yrs of Johnny's perfect and everyone else lets him down

 

[ULF_55]

Imagine my shock when I read the list and the only time we legit almost went to the cup and probably should have been in it was with Dougie putting up a Crosby, McDavid, Mario type numbers.

Sundin had some strong team and showings as well but more a team effort.



Oh OK. Here.

We aren't going to pay you 13m. Come down or go to FA.

Done deal. Was that hard. Good luck finding someone else to pay 13m. Big time sucker

CapWages projections:

marner $12.97mm


Ehlers $7.76mm
Bennett $6.5mm

Granlund $4.8mm
Donato $2.5mm

Pionk $7.2mm
Ekblad $7.1mm

Vancouver ranks in top 10 most liveable cities in the world

An Aussie city tied with Vancouver in the 2024 ranking.

www.vancouverisawesome.com

 

[Americanadian]

CapWages projections:

marner $12.97mm


Ehlers $7.76mm
Bennett $6.5mm

Granlund $4.8mm
Donato $2.5mm

Pionk $7.2mm
Ekblad $7.1mm

Vancouver ranks in top 10 most liveable cities in the world

An Aussie city tied with Vancouver in the 2024 ranking.

www.vancouverisawesome.com

Futher to this - AFP Analytics has published their mid-season contract projections for this off-season. They have been the most accurate public contract model the past few seasons.

Of note:

Of the ones you mentioned:
Ehlers 6x7.5M
Bennett 6x6.3M
Granlund 2x4.6M
Donato 2x2.4M
Pionk 6x6.95M
Ekblad 7x6.85M

 

[thewave]

Paid like a 1C produces like a 3C in the spring

We don't have to sign him.

 

[ULF_55]

Futher to this - AFP Analytics has published their mid-season contract projections for this off-season. They have been the most accurate public contract model the past few seasons.

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Of the ones you mentioned:
Ehlers 6x7.5M
Bennett 6x6.3M
Granlund 2x4.6M
Donato 2x2.4M
Pionk 6x6.95M
Ekblad 7x6.85M

Now of course one has to convince the player(s) but:

But for example only: Ehlers and Bennett for $1.3 more than marner alone.

 

[nuck]

Futher to this - AFP Analytics has published their mid-season contract projections for this off-season. They have been the most accurate public contract model the past few seasons.

Of note:View attachment 979643

Of the ones you mentioned:
Ehlers 6x7.5M
Bennett 6x6.3M
Granlund 2x4.6M
Donato 2x2.4M
Pionk 6x6.95M
Ekblad 7x6.85M

The Bennett and Ek numbers only look close if they stay in Florida. If Verhaeghe gets 7 Bennett has to be a bit more than that. The Granlund number looks way off unless he takes a dump the rest of the season. He just turned 33 so more like 3 x $6M but we'll see. Love that Knies deal.

 

[leafs in five]

A lot of people here also like to think they're smarter than everyone despite being wrong about everything.

For Calgary it was impressive how much they got for someone who was 100% leaving, but that's it. Most knew Tkachuk was a different level than the fairies Florida traded away, others who don't actually watch (stat nerds) were impressed by the numbers.

But the most egregious part is his comments about the contract. They locked him up to a bargain deal for his entire prime.

Years 25-32 @ 9.5M per.

This was a bargain on day 1 especially when their direct competitors sign albatross contracts like Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. Contracts that Some Folks tell us are good despite everything pointing to otherwise.

Weegar a 'fairy' lol