Proposal: Tor-ana

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zaitsev has looked really good in the early stages as well, so it looks like we have one upgrade. I think I would be more interested in a deal around Manson from Anaheim than Lindholm because of the price difference and that we need RHD. Lindholm is probably the building block there for the version of the ducks after the Getz/Perry era so I do think he ends up staying

I think the prices for JVR comparables actually fell last year - Ladd/Okposo/Lucic all got $6mil and Bobby Ryan got $7.5mil last summer. It seems like these guys all tier together, even though there's a bit of a difference in talent IMO. Not sure if that kind of commitment would fit in Ana, but he's on a very team friendly contract for the next 2 seasons which I think should be a big focus for the ducks with Getz and Perry in their early 30's. You guys should be a championship caliber team now

Manson would be a tough person to trade and he's definitely not going to get good value in a trade but his importance to us is huge.

Idk right now some of the moves have really killed this team, we used to have crazy forward depth and now we're back to relying on getzlaf and Perry, we'll be competitive but we have A LOT of work to do before I see us as championship caliber.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

And that's okay... the thread was again originally made by Leaf fans... I don't think you can find a thread where ducks fans have offered lindholm to the leafs cause guess what hes not available.

You realize none of you have a say, right?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

You realize none of you have a say, right?

Oh yea you are right but BM has said it plenty of times and I feel like he has a day

 

[BlueBaron]

Was there really any Free agents that were available that would have helped you guys this year, your biggest need is a dmen(obviously expierence amongst your young players)... I don't recall any really good dmen in the FA market last summer, and usually they don't make it there, you'll likely have to hope for 1 through the draft which will take a lil time or make a move, and honestly I could see the leafs making a move for a dmen if something comes available... id be shocked if they wernt at least asking bout guys like fowler and trouba.


Guess well see but if you guys stay competitive and in the race for a while, I def can see you guys moving in on a dmen if any are available... and like I said its hard to fix defense without making a trade or drafting well, and drafting takes bit of time before you even see those players.

Would could have traded for Gologoski's rights like Arizona did, we could have signed Russell just to name 2. I agree, that if we are doing well management might think winning is worth more to our kid's development but everything they have said suggests they will not abandon the plan.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Manson would be a tough person to trade and he's definitely not going to get good value in a trade but his importance to us is huge.

Idk right now some of the moves have really killed this team, we used to have crazy forward depth and now we're back to relying on getzlaf and Perry, we'll be competitive but we have A LOT of work to do before I see us as championship caliber.

I think now is the time that you'll deal futures for the things you need. If JVR was an interesting piece, I could see the leafs retaining on a deal as well because we won't be in a cap crunch in the next 2 years

Seems like the Ducks still have a decent pipeline in place, Montour and Ritchie are definitely of interest (we're lacking RHD and forward prospects with size) so if it plays out as expected with leafs as a bottom 10 team and Ducks as a contender I could see something happening at the deadline, lots of dealing history with the Ducks and Leafs

 

[Randy Randerson]

Would could have traded for Gologoski's rights like Arizona did, we could have signed Russell just to name 2. I agree, that if we are doing well management might think winning is worth more to our kid's development but everything they have said suggests they will not abandon the plan.

Don't forget Zaitsev, FA signing and probably the best D move we could have made this offseason

 

[Dustin]

Couple of things that I think are wrong in this thread.

First off the Leafs are still very much a rebuilding team. There are no guarantees that any of our young players will work out even the big 3 so to assume that everything is perfect now is a bit presumptuous.

Secondly those who think Lindholm suddenly makes the Leafs a playoff team have obviously not been following the Leafs. Unless he is a teacher too we are going to be in trouble this year. The Leafs will have at any given point 4 or 5 players under the age of 22 not withstanding injuries which could inflate that number to 6 or 7. It will be some of these players first NHL action. There are going to be lots of mistakes through out the season like there have already been. To think one defenseman can come in and suddenly solve forward learning concerns is ridiculous. The Leafs will be a bottom 5 team again this year and that is fine with most patient Leaf fans.

To think that Anaheim, would want to give up a 22 year old #1 dman for players that will develop into great players is especially asinine. Even in the rare chance that Anaheim decides to do a rebuild, that starts with players over 27 not dman who have not even entered their prime yet.

Also people bringing up Lindholm is exactly what the Leafs need are also out to lunch. Did Lindholm change sides this year and I didn't hear about it? Rielly, Lindholm and Gardiner all play the same side. No matter how you work it out one player would have to play on his off side and I can tell you right now that Gardiner and Rielly are much less effective when that is the case. I can't see Lindholm suddenly excelling at playing on his off hand either. All this does is create a small bump on the left side of our first pairing and then leave a gaping whole in the RD position. The same whole we have now. Makes little to no sense.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think now is the time that you'll deal futures for the things you need. If JVR was an interesting piece, I could see the leafs retaining on a deal as well because we won't be in a cap crunch in the next 2 years

Seems like the Ducks still have a decent pipeline in place, Montour and Ritchie are definitely of interest (we're lacking RHD and forward prospects with size) so if it plays out as expected with leafs as a bottom 10 team and Ducks as a contender I could see something happening at the deadline, lots of dealing history with the Ducks and Leafs

The Leafs do seem to be our go to trade partners... I guess a lot has to do how this lindholm situation settles. Hopefully it's over soon idk if I can take this much longer lol

 

[Dustin]

Don't forget Zaitsev, FA signing and probably the best D move we could have made this offseason

I like Zaitsev but he will also need time to develop into a top 4 dman. I think a lot of people saw his WCoH and thought that he would be the same here. What most weren't thinking about is the complete difference in talent those 2 teams have.

 

[Randy Randerson]

The Leafs do seem to be our go to trade partners... I guess a lot has to do how this lindholm situation settles. Hopefully it's over soon idk if I can take this much longer lol

Ya I don't envy anyone waiting on a holdout situation with their young star, pins and needles.

We make a lot of sense as trade partners - different conferences, opposite ends of the cycle

I like Zaitsev but he will also need time to develop into a top 4 dman. I think a lot of people saw his WCoH and thought that he would be the same here. What most weren't thinking about is the complete difference in talent those 2 teams have.

He's looked good to me in his first 4 NHL games, and is getting big minutes already - only trails Rielly in TOI. Outside of a few instances, he looks really steady, poised, skates and handles the puck well. Looks like a top 4 guy already IMO, and getting top pairing minutes (given, on a rebuilding team). He's not a normal prospect because he's already in his prime with like 7 years of experience in the second best league in the world, so it's really just a matter of adjusting to the smaller ice and it seems like he's done that already

 

[Dustin]

Ya I don't envy anyone waiting on a holdout situation with their young star, pins and needles.

We make a lot of sense as trade partners - different conferences, opposite ends of the cycle



He's looked good to me in his first 4 NHL games, and is getting big minutes already - only trails Rielly in TOI. Outside of a few instances, he looks really steady, poised, skates and handles the puck well. Looks like a top 4 guy already IMO, and getting top pairing minutes (given, on a rebuilding team). He's not a normal prospect because he's already in his prime with like 7 years of experience in the second best league in the world, so it's really just a matter of adjusting to the smaller ice and it seems like he's done that already

It's still only 4 games though. If he can develop into Rielly's partner that will go along way towards helping the Leafs defence out.

 

[Doug Gilmour]

A respectful no would come from both parties here if this were present to them.

 

[Randy Randerson]

It's still only 4 games though. If he can develop into Rielly's partner that will go along way towards helping the Leafs defence out.

Its a small sample size, but I think the concern with him was that his game wouldn't translate to smaller ice, which would probably show up quickly if it was going to be a problem.

I'm not against waiting on Zaitsev, also not against trying to add something that doesn't cost one of the future building blocks, so that's probably not going to be Lindholm but maybe there's another Anaheim defender who could be worth looking at if it makes sense for both teams closer to the deadline

 

[Dustin]

Its a small sample size, but I think the concern with him was that his game wouldn't translate to smaller ice, which would probably show up quickly if it was going to be a problem.

I'm not against waiting on Zaitsev, also not against trying to add something that doesn't cost one of the future building blocks, so that's probably not going to be Lindholm but maybe there's another Anaheim defender who could be worth looking at if it makes sense for both teams closer to the deadline

Ya I don't mind waiting on Zaitsev either. Like you said he basically a top 4 dman right now as it is. If he can develop into a #2 I'll be real happy. As for trading for one, as long as it doesn't involve the big 4 (including Rielly in this) and any 1st rounders I'm all for it. The thing is though, we don't need any LD. I'm pretty much not interested in trading for one at all. All that really does is push Gardiner down to the 3rd pairing while still leaving a huge whole for a RD.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Ya I don't mind waiting on Zaitsev either. Like you said he basically a top 4 dman right now as it is. If he can develop into a #2 I'll be real happy. As for trading for one, as long as it doesn't involve the big 4 (including Rielly in this) and any 1st rounders I'm all for it. The thing is though, we don't need any LD. I'm pretty much not interested in trading for one at all. All that really does is push Gardiner down to the 3rd pairing while still leaving a huge whole for a RD.

If Zaitsev becomes a #2 RHD, it really changes our needs a lot I think. Carrick could be a 2nd pairing guy, though I think it would be good to have some size on that pairing with Gardiner...I would think the acquisition cost for a second pairing RHD is something we could afford without parting with the big 4 or the 2017 1st round pick.

Like maybe JVR at 50% retention for Manson kind of thing

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

You realize none of you have a say, right?

Really? You mean fans of teams on this board don't speak for the team? I never would have guessed that

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Really? You mean fans of teams on this board don't speak for the team? I never would have guessed that

Little known fact, I am BM

 

[LoovTrain]

Lindholm isn't going anywhere.
Leaf fans need to understand this.
Anaheim is going to have to add something pretty substantial to Stoner to move him.
Ducks fans need to understand this.

 

[Halla]

so the leafs give up
JVR, a good shot at Patrick/Liljegren, Connor Brown, another 2nd, and take a cap dump for lindholm.

kessel trade 2.0. if we are a lottery team this deal is beyond bad

 

[TeddyBare]

Marincin doesn't have any value.

He sucks.

 

[BlueBaron]

Don't forget Zaitsev, FA signing and probably the best D move we could have made this offseason

Zaitsev fits the rebuild philosophy so is not quite in the same category.

 

[BlueBaron]

so the leafs give up
JVR, a good shot at Patrick/Liljegren, Connor Brown, another 2nd, and take a cap dump for lindholm.

kessel trade 2.0. if we are a lottery team this deal is beyond bad

It's actually more value than the Kessel trade.

 

[LoovTrain]

It's actually more value than the Kessel trade.

He's talking about the first Kessel trade I think