Blue Jays Discussion: TOR Acquires Francisco Liriano, Scott Feldman, Mike Bolsinger

[PG Canuck]

Another Thing To Consider;

With Saunders, Bautista, Encarnacion all due to hit Free Agency, it may be wise to keep our prospects to help fill holes for next season.

Good things don't happen to those who wait, good things happen to those that pursue.

We need to pursue. Baseball is so different compared to hockey and when you can go for it you have to go for it because you could not make the playoffs for another 5 years minimum.

GO FOR IT!!!

 

[TF97]

Ahh okay. What were the details of that trade(who did we give up?).

We gave up...

Francisco Cordero - We all know why he was involved, is now retired.
Ben Francisco - Another "useless" veteran piece, is also retired.
Asher Wojciechowski - Woj hasn't amounted to much yet and doesn't throw very hard. He also doesn't K many and lately has been walking over 4/9. No loss there.
David Rollins - He is a reliever for Seattle, doesn't appear that he will become anything significant, even though I am a fan of his.
Joe Musgrove - He is "the one that got away" out of this deal, currently 85th on MLB.com's "top 100 prospects" list.
Carlos Perez - He is currently the Angels backup catcher, he is good defensively but his bat is essentially non-existent.
Kevin Comer - Former starting prospect who is now a reliever for Houston's A+ team, could be an okay reliever long term.

 

[Clark4Ever]

If Atkins and Shapiro refuse to move our top prospects for rentals, good on them.

 

[Bjindaho]

gose for wallace was bad.

Don't include travis, because that's not how trades work.

Snider for lincoln was meh.

Go ahead and prove me wrong, but don't use examples that prove me wrong

I think most on here would agree that the VW trade was good.

Getting Rasmus for spare pieces was good.

It's not like the guy did nothing. He took a system that was destroyed when he walked in and still made do. The thing to keep in mind is that when he spent, he spent HIS OWN assets that he cultivated. He had very very little from the previous regime and he created his own era of the club.

That being said, I am enjoying what I am seeing from the Shapiro/Atkins era so far. They don't like wasting prospects and would rather tinker to fill the holes than go big and hope that it works (they also have the obvious benefit of being able to criticize AA for going big even though in retrospect, it was the right move).

 

[Longshot]

At the time the JAys we're rebuilding. Trading prospects away for Happ didn't make sense. Musgrove is a very good prospect

Except, a few months later they made the trade with Miami and then the trade for Dickey.

Clearly, they had moved on from "rebuilding" and were looking to make some "win-now" moves. The Happ trade was the first deal to indicate they were looking at things with a new perspective.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dodgers are all in

 

[Bjindaho]

Except, a few months later they made the trade with Miami and then the trade for Dickey.

Clearly, they had moved on from "rebuilding" and were looking to make some "win-now" moves. The Happ trade was the first deal to indicate they were looking at things with a new perspective.

At the time of the Happ trade, AA had rebuilt our farm to the point where he had some guys he could move out without completely ruining the farm.

Something for the newer fans to keep in mind is that he actually depleted the farm twice (this deadline and the Marlins/Mets deals). As much as we complain about the prospects we lost, we committed to a plan.

 

[le_sean]

Dodgers are all in

They must believe Kershaw is coming back or it makes no sense.

 

[Anthrax442]

No one. I'm just saying it appears to be a Shaprio Atkins thing to sit on our prospects because of who we gave up last year and not because we have nothing. We have good prospects at lower levels and would take more of them to acquire "splash" talent. Shatkins doesn't want to deal them but I feel like AA would. Doesn't mean we don't have the assets to make bigger deals just that we don't want to trade the assets.

Sorry if that doesn't make much sense, I may have stepped outside for a deadline day puff.

I think people give AA way too much credit. Last year 2 weeks before TDL the fans were ready to drive him out of town.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Longshot]

At the time of the Happ trade, AA had rebuilt our farm to the point where he had some guys he could move out without completely ruining the farm.

Something for the newer fans to keep in mind is that he actually depleted the farm twice (this deadline and the Marlins/Mets deals). As much as we complain about the prospects we lost, we committed to a plan.

People also forget that how Player A or Player B turned out, really doesn't determine whether or not a trade was a good one or a bad one.

It depends on the circumstances. It depends on the situation.

I have no desire to continue to argue about this, the trade deadline moves are way more interesting, but of all of the deals AA made - every single one made sense in my view.

With the exception of one: I have always felt trading for RA Dickey was pre-mature. My preference would have been to go into the season with Johnson, Buehrle, Morrow, Happ and Romero as the rotation and see what happened the first half of the season. If they were great and contending, awesome, go out and get an impact player. If not, you still have your guys.

 

[TF97]

Pirates talking to the Yankees about Nova

 

[Lahey]

so we did nothing??????!!!!

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[Longshot]

Pirates talking to the Yankees about Nova

Now I'm confused. Are the Pirates a seller? Or are they looking at a quick turn around?

 

[Longshot]

so we did nothing??????!!!!

Upton and Benoit are nothing?

And the "deadline" (not really) is 4 p.m.

 

[Bjindaho]

People also forget that how Player A or Player B turned out, really doesn't determine whether or not a trade was a good one or a bad one.

It depends on the circumstances. It depends on the situation.

I have no desire to continue to argue about this, the trade deadline moves are way more interesting, but of all of the deals AA made - every single one made sense in my view.

With the exception of one: I have always felt trading for RA Dickey was pre-mature. My preference would have been to go into the season with Johnson, Buehrle, Morrow, Happ and Romero as the rotation and see what happened the first half of the season. If they were great and contending, awesome, go out and get an impact player. If not, you still have your guys.

I would not disagree with that sentiment at all.

But the biggest stinker IMO is and will always be the Napoli trade. I swore when we made it, I swore the next day and I continued to swear every single time I had to watch Frank Francisco pitch while Napoli put up an MVP season.

 

[Longshot]

I would not disagree with that sentiment at all.

But the biggest stinker IMO is and will always be the Napoli trade. I swore when we made it, I swore the next day and I continued to swear every single time I had to watch Frank Francisco pitch while Napoli put up an MVP season.

I get it. But, I thought that was a three-team deal. In other words, deal doesn't happen if Jays don't trade Napoli for Francisco?

But I could be wrong.

 

[Cor]

Jesse Chavez traded to the Dodgers.

We acquire Scott Feldman from the Astros

 

[TF97]

so we did nothing??????!!!!

They added Upton and Benoit, as well as Grilli (even if it was a while back). Plus, there are many reports that they are working on acquiring a starter. Even if they are unable to, there is still the trade waiver period in August.

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[Longshot]

Chavez is history. MLB TV doesn't know the return.

 

[TF97]

Jesse Chavez traded to the Dodgers! Hallelujah!

 

[ShaneFalco]

Feldman? Not familiar....

Chavez - buh bye!