John Garretts KD
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I don’t understand the criteria.
Is it most talented / best peak/prime?
Or is it best resume / career totals?
Is it most talented / best peak/prime?
Or is it best resume / career totals?
After his 5th there was a noticeable decline in scoring leaguewide. His last top 10 scoring season he finished 4th with 81 points.
For reference, the 4th best scorer point totals the last 3 years have had 120, 113, 110.
I agree he wasn't the same player but the change in scoring environment makes the decline worse than it actually is, at least from a statistical perspective.
After his 5th season there was a noticeable decline in scoring leaguewide. His last top 10 scoring season he finished 4th with 81 points.
For reference, the 4th best scorer point totals the last 3 years have had 120, 113, 110.
I agree he wasn't the same player but the change in scoring environment makes the decline worse than it actually is, at least from a statistical perspective.
I don’t understand the criteria.
Is it most talented / best peak/prime?
Or is it best resume / career totals?
The way I see it, Ovechkin had his 3 year peak (which is up there for the best consecutive 3 years for anyone not big-4).I think it’s somewhere in between at best. The scoring environment change gives him way too much of a pass for my liking for falling off as an all-around offensive force at just 25 years old.
He was 1st in PPG for three consecutive years, won an Art Ross, and was mere points from sweeping all three years (while missing 3 and 10 games). Then he exited the scoring race overnight.
From 2010-2011 through 2019-2020 (the final season he led the league in goals):
Raw points finishes:
7, 38, 4, 10, 4, 15, 23, 11, 15, 19
PPG:
9, 40, 4, 11, 8, 19, 29, 15, 19, 24
Finishing fourth was the anomaly during the ten years in question, so we can avoid trying to draw parallels to a modern day finish of 110-120, but I’ll still include them being his two best finishes and to help out his average over this time period.
Let’s throw out 2011-2012 and 2016-2017 as his two worst finishes.
We’re left with an average finish of 9th, which brings him down to the 100-104 point range, which matches up more with the actual change in scoring levels, plus a generous extra 5% to be kind to Ovechkin.
When we speak of his decline, it’s not the actual raw numbers and how they compare to today that we’re talking about. The decline was sharp and remains bad.
1. Mcdavid
2. Crosby
3. OV
Mcdavid 9 years are the 3rd best consequtive 9-years in hockey a player has ever had after Gretzky and probably sime stretch for Howe
*Lemieux & Orr if they had been healthy would have had better 9-year stretches too.
*Crosby if healthy would have been a bit worse for his first 9 year stretch from 06-14 than Mcdavid
What makes McDavid's 9 years so much more impressive than Jagr, exactly if you are saying "point leads" define it?
Pretty much what @Video Nasty said in post 35What makes McDavid's 9 years so much more impressive than Jagr, exactly if you are saying "point leads" define it?
Ovechkin’s style of play at his peak was clearly unsustainable, just by the way he was depending on his otherworldly physical gifts to be dominant. His body would have just crashed had he continued to play like a wrecking ball on every play for more years, and it probably did to some degree.
He depended much more on his physical gifts than players like Crosby or Kucherov for example, which made him look more dominant at his peak, but less dominant when he left his prime and lost his explosion.
Have to go with the guys who’s potentially going to break the goal scoring record, Ovechkin.
Very strange how McDavid clobbered Ovechkin in voting during the #1 thread, but then lost out on #2.
Yeah dumb voting not factoring in Mcdavids current accomplishments and expected dominance for next 5 yearsVery strange how McDavid clobbered Ovechkin in voting during the #1 thread, but then lost out on #2.
Yeah dumb voting not factoring in Mcdavids current accomplishments and expected dominance for next 5 years
97 > 87 > 8 > 71
Top 3-5 player all time
Top 7-10 player all time
Top 10-15 player all time
Top 40-50 player all time
Mcdavid is the only player with a chance to move up now on the all time listings
Crosby, OV, Malkin are at the tail end of their legandary careers and cant do anything now to move up alltime to the next tier range
Mcdavid can solidify himself as 2nd or 3rd depending on how next 5 years go for him
Not really. Most people voting for Crosby in round 1 are valuing the extra seasons so would likely also vote for Ovechkin.