Proposal: Top-6 LW (or good 3C) to SJ

[sjsharks92]

Tomas Tatar for Roy + 2nd?

Edit: Actually any one of these guys really:

Helm- 3C more D oriented so probably not.
Sheahan- 3C or Top 6 LW.
Tatar

This is definitely an appetizing offer. I don't believe we have a 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft however...

 

[Sysreq]

3- Way Proposal for E. Kane: (SJS, NJD, BUF)

SJS:
- E. Kane
- 2017 2nd BUF (expected range: 35-40)

NJD:
- P. Martin
- C. Tierney

BUF:
- 2017 BOS 2nd (from NJD)
- 2017 FLO 2nd (from NJD)
- Nikolay Goldobin
- 2017 SJS 1st (expected range: 25 - 30)

 

[Captain Timo]

3- Way Proposal for E. Kane: (SJS, NJD, BUF)

SJS:
- E. Kane
- 2017 2nd BUF (expected range: 35-40)

NJD:
- P. Martin
- C. Tierney

BUF:
- 2017 BOS 2nd (from NJD)
- 2017 FLO 2nd (from NJD)
- Nikolay Goldobin
- 2017 SJS 1st (expected range: 25 - 30)

As a Sharks fan, I am in no way, shape or form interested in dishing Martin, Tierney, our 1st and Goldobin just to grab Buffalos 2nd rounder and Kane. Wouldn't touch that guy with a 10 foot pole.

 

[LV*]

Leafs have 4 guys that should interest you

JvR
Bozak
Komarov
Holland

 

[FrodoBeggins]

Jason Pominville. Cost little

 

[Pia8988]

3- Way Proposal for E. Kane: (SJS, NJD, BUF)

SJS:
- E. Kane
- 2017 2nd BUF (expected range: 35-40)

NJD:
- P. Martin
- C. Tierney

BUF:
- 2017 BOS 2nd (from NJD)
- 2017 FLO 2nd (from NJD)
- Nikolay Goldobin
- 2017 SJS 1st (expected range: 25 - 30)

That is really really bad so San Jose

 

[ScottyDont]

3- Way Proposal for E. Kane: (SJS, NJD, BUF)

SJS:
- E. Kane
- 2017 2nd BUF (expected range: 35-40)

NJD:
- P. Martin
- C. Tierney

BUF:
- 2017 BOS 2nd (from NJD)
- 2017 FLO 2nd (from NJD)
- Nikolay Goldobin
- 2017 SJS 1st (expected range: 25 - 30)

That is absolutely awful. And you're a SJ fan!

 

[Sysreq]

That is absolutely awful. And you're a SJ fan!

For who? Actually think NJD gets the worst of it. A pair of extra seconds for Tierney and Martin sounds about right though. Both help them fill immediate defensive gaps and will help stabilize the ship. Plenty of cap room to spare.

Buffalo gets a ton of cap-space, a Tyler Ennis replacement in Goldobin, and the parts to find a LHD. If you have picks, and more importantly cap space, players are out there. Plus they can show their following that they got good asset return. A first, a 1st round prospect, and 2 2nds! That's more than we paid for Evander Kane.

And the Sharks. For the cost of an aging, slowing veteran who is being way over-payed relative to his performance, a young bottom-6 center, who is not great at Face-offs but PKs and limits goals against, and finally your, (Labanc, O'Regan, Meier, Sorenson?, Goodrow? Carpenter? Haley?) number 4 forward prospect and realistically even deeper in terms of call-ups, for....

Evander Kane, the former 4th OA pick, 20+ goal scorer, who plays a skilled power-forward style, who also happens to be friends with Jumbo and Burns, and also happens to fill a huge gap in the team. Whew thats a lot of good stuff.

I think this is a case where everyone is improved by this - in very neat and simple ways. If you think the Sharks are overpaying, I don't believe it. In a year, Paul Martin will be San Jose's Kevin Beiska. He is already being replaced by Schlemko and Dillion. You have DeMelo, a capable number 6 waiting, and several good plug call ups behind that. Losing him is probably beneficial to the team overall.

I like Tierney, but he is a role player and can be replaced by O'Regan, Carpenter, Wingels, Karlsson, Ward, and Marleau. He doesn't have more than mid-6 potential, and even then, he is much, much more likely to stay a bottom-6 PK specialist.

Goldobin? Got jumped by Donskoi and then Labanc. Being Russian, there is always the KHL risk. And frankly, every time they call up someone else, you have to wonder if he is gonna even see his 9 games this year. Timo is next for sure. So when is he gonna even play. He might have potential, but I would rather the known quantity of Evander Kane, who will get me 20+ goals this season, versus an unproven prospect. And it's not like Goldobin is going for free.

In a vacuum I would do 27 OA, Martin, Tierney for 4 OA. Sounds very reasonable to me. Might even be a bit of an under-payment. I mean 27OA + 2nd + 2nd wouldn't equal 4 OA at the draft.

So honestly, I like it. I think it makes a lot of sense for all the teams. Especially San Jose.

 

[mrinsane]

David Desharnais for a 4th round pick

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

For who? Actually think NJD gets the worst of it. A pair of extra seconds for Tierney and Martin sounds about right though. Both help them fill immediate defensive gaps and will help stabilize the ship. Plenty of cap room to spare.

Buffalo gets a ton of cap-space, a Tyler Ennis replacement in Goldobin, and the parts to find a LHD. If you have picks, and more importantly cap space, players are out there. Plus they can show their following that they got good asset return. A first, a 1st round prospect, and 2 2nds! That's more than we paid for Evander Kane.

And the Sharks. For the cost of an aging, slowing veteran who is being way over-payed relative to his performance, a young bottom-6 center, who is not great at Face-offs but PKs and limits goals against, and finally your, (Labanc, O'Regan, Meier, Sorenson?, Goodrow? Carpenter? Haley?) number 4 forward prospect and realistically even deeper in terms of call-ups, for....

Evander Kane, the former 4th OA pick, 20+ goal scorer, who plays a skilled power-forward style, who also happens to be friends with Jumbo and Burns, and also happens to fill a huge gap in the team. Whew thats a lot of good stuff.

I think this is a case where everyone is improved by this - in very neat and simple ways. If you think the Sharks are overpaying, I don't believe it. In a year, Paul Martin will be San Jose's Kevin Beiska. He is already being replaced by Schlemko and Dillion. You have DeMelo, a capable number 6 waiting, and several good plug call ups behind that. Losing him is probably beneficial to the team overall.

I like Tierney, but he is a role player and can be replaced by O'Regan, Carpenter, Wingels, Karlsson, Ward, and Marleau. He doesn't have more than mid-6 potential, and even then, he is much, much more likely to stay a bottom-6 PK specialist.

Goldobin? Got jumped by Donskoi and then Labanc. Being Russian, there is always the KHL risk. And frankly, every time they call up someone else, you have to wonder if he is gonna even see his 9 games this year. Timo is next for sure. So when is he gonna even play. He might have potential, but I would rather the known quantity of Evander Kane, who will get me 20+ goals this season, versus an unproven prospect. And it's not like Goldobin is going for free.

In a vacuum I would do 27 OA, Martin, Tierney for 4 OA. Sounds very reasonable to me. Might even be a bit of an under-payment. I mean 27OA + 2nd + 2nd wouldn't equal 4 OA at the draft.

So honestly, I like it. I think it makes a lot of sense for all the teams. Especially San Jose.

Sharks are giving up Goldobin + 2017 1st + Paul Martin + Tierney for Evander Kane and a 2nd?

Tierney has more value than what you think.
Martin has more value than what you think.
Goldobin has more value than what you think.

Evander Kane has a lot less value than you think.

This deal is brutal for the Sharks. We could get a lot more back if we traded those pieces individually instead of a deal where we get 1 player back in Evander Kane. Kane is not the superstar that you think he is. And I am not moving out players just to create the cap space needed for Kane.

 

[CrypTic]

Sharks are giving up Goldobin + 2017 1st + Paul Martin + Tierney for Evander Kane and a 2nd?

Tierney has more value than what you think.
Martin has more value than what you think.
Goldobin has more value than what you think.

Evander Kane has a lot less value than you think.

This deal is brutal for the Sharks. We could get a lot more back if we traded those pieces individually instead of a deal where we get 1 player back in Evander Kane. Kane is not the superstar that you think he is. And I am not moving out players just to create the cap space needed for Kane.

I agree 100%. I didn't like the Braun & Nieto for JVR proposal either, but at least I could see the value (if not the logic) there. (IMO we need Braun and he probably has more value to the Sharks than on the open market).

Look at the threads about Kane. I don't think they could come close to that trade if Buffalo retained 50%, which they aren't doing here. I might be interested in Kane at 50% retained but even then I wouldn't give up our 1st + Goldobin + Tierney + Martin for him.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Kane is a good player that is likely worth quite a lot in a trade, he just carries so much baggage that I'd want to avoid him at all cost.

 

[CrypTic]

Kane is a good player that is likely worth quite a lot in a trade, he just carries so much baggage that I'd want to avoid him at all cost.

It's a risk to any team so that risk lowers his value. Many teams are probably reluctant bc of that which lowers his value too (fewer teams bidding against each other). I think it's a big knock on his value. His injuries, his play this season, and him playing a very individualistic game which doesn't work well for quite a few teams hurts his value too.

 

[Mugzy97]

So something like:

SJS -
1) JvR
2) SJS 2017 2nd (returned)
(-$250,000 Cap)

TOR -
1) Justin Braun
2) Matt Nieto
(+$250,000 Cap)

I don't love it, but I don't hate it either. It could definitely work...

That's interesting. I'm not too familiar with Braun but if he is a good defensive D then we could use him. Don't think we need Nieto, but can Tierney play LW for a bit? I'd counter with:

JVR

for

Braun
Tierney

I wouldn't want to give up the 2nd round and think there's enough value in JVR to get these 2 players. Maybe we could retain on JVR to help with money to make up some value, i dunno.

 

[sjsharks92]

3- Way Proposal for E. Kane: (SJS, NJD, BUF)

SJS:
- E. Kane
- 2017 2nd BUF (expected range: 35-40)

NJD:
- P. Martin
- C. Tierney

BUF:
- 2017 BOS 2nd (from NJD)
- 2017 FLO 2nd (from NJD)
- Nikolay Goldobin
- 2017 SJS 1st (expected range: 25 - 30)

Horribad for the Sharks.

 

[sjsharks92]

That's interesting. I'm not too familiar with Braun but if he is a good defensive D then we could use him. Don't think we need Nieto, but can Tierney play LW for a bit? I'd counter with:

JVR

for

Braun
Tierney

I wouldn't want to give up the 2nd round and think there's enough value in JVR to get these 2 players. Maybe we could retain on JVR to help with money to make up some value, i dunno.

That's an underestimation of Braun's value. He and Tierney are worth more than just JVR.

Probably a mute point though as I don't see the Sharks breaking up the league's best shutdown D pair (Vlasic-Braun).

 

[CanadienShark]

Spooner for Tierney + 1st?

Spooner fits the bill as an offensive #3C who has played on the Bruins top 6 at LW. In his first full season last year, he scored 49pts and is a weapon on the PP. He looks to be a high-end #3C or #2C in the future. He's also only 24 and a RFA next season with a $925,00 cap hit this season. I think the Bruins could use a player like Tierney as their #3C.

I couldn't do more than Tierney + 2nd, personally.

 

[Juxtaposer]

For who? Actually think NJD gets the worst of it. A pair of extra seconds for Tierney and Martin sounds about right though. Both help them fill immediate defensive gaps and will help stabilize the ship. Plenty of cap room to spare.

Buffalo gets a ton of cap-space, a Tyler Ennis replacement in Goldobin, and the parts to find a LHD. If you have picks, and more importantly cap space, players are out there. Plus they can show their following that they got good asset return. A first, a 1st round prospect, and 2 2nds! That's more than we paid for Evander Kane.

And the Sharks. For the cost of an aging, slowing veteran who is being way over-payed relative to his performance, a young bottom-6 center, who is not great at Face-offs but PKs and limits goals against, and finally your, (Labanc, O'Regan, Meier, Sorenson?, Goodrow? Carpenter? Haley?) number 4 forward prospect and realistically even deeper in terms of call-ups, for....

Evander Kane, the former 4th OA pick, 20+ goal scorer, who plays a skilled power-forward style, who also happens to be friends with Jumbo and Burns, and also happens to fill a huge gap in the team. Whew thats a lot of good stuff.

I think this is a case where everyone is improved by this - in very neat and simple ways. If you think the Sharks are overpaying, I don't believe it. In a year, Paul Martin will be San Jose's Kevin Beiska. He is already being replaced by Schlemko and Dillion. You have DeMelo, a capable number 6 waiting, and several good plug call ups behind that. Losing him is probably beneficial to the team overall.

I like Tierney, but he is a role player and can be replaced by O'Regan, Carpenter, Wingels, Karlsson, Ward, and Marleau. He doesn't have more than mid-6 potential, and even then, he is much, much more likely to stay a bottom-6 PK specialist.

Goldobin? Got jumped by Donskoi and then Labanc. Being Russian, there is always the KHL risk. And frankly, every time they call up someone else, you have to wonder if he is gonna even see his 9 games this year. Timo is next for sure. So when is he gonna even play. He might have potential, but I would rather the known quantity of Evander Kane, who will get me 20+ goals this season, versus an unproven prospect. And it's not like Goldobin is going for free.

In a vacuum I would do 27 OA, Martin, Tierney for 4 OA. Sounds very reasonable to me. Might even be a bit of an under-payment. I mean 27OA + 2nd + 2nd wouldn't equal 4 OA at the draft.

So honestly, I like it. I think it makes a lot of sense for all the teams. Especially San Jose.

This is a truly terrible post.

Your evaluation of Goldobin is just so laughable, but especially in the face of your overvaluation of Kane.

Just as an FYI: the value of a player is not the value of the draft slot he was selected in.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Tatar would be exactly what I'd want. If we had a 2nd, I'd be happy with that deal. Alas...

Tatar for 2017 4th + 2018 2nd ?

Not a fan of either team; just throwing out a possible solution to SJ not having a 2nd this upcoming draft.

 

[themelkman]

3- Way Proposal for E. Kane: (SJS, NJD, BUF)

SJS:
- E. Kane
- 2017 2nd BUF (expected range: 35-40)

NJD:
- P. Martin
- C. Tierney

BUF:
- 2017 BOS 2nd (from NJD)
- 2017 FLO 2nd (from NJD)
- Nikolay Goldobin
- 2017 SJS 1st (expected range: 25 - 30)

Bolded arent getting traded in this deal

 

[themelkman]

Tatar for 2017 4th + 2018 2nd ?

Not a fan of either team; just throwing out a possible solution to SJ not having a 2nd this upcoming draft.

I like that deal, very reasonable

 

[Juxtaposer]

Tatar for 2017 4th + 2018 2nd ?

Not a fan of either team; just throwing out a possible solution to SJ not having a 2nd this upcoming draft.

I'm pretty sure we don't have one in 2018 either (Polak/Spaling ). But beyond that, that's a really bad deal for Detroit unless Tatar has fallen off a cliff.

 

[Oberyn]

Kane is a good player that is likely worth quite a lot in a trade, he just carries so much baggage that I'd want to avoid him at all cost.

Except Kane is not a very good player.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Except Kane is not a very good player.

I didn't say "very good", I said "good" lol

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Tatar for 2017 4th + 2018 2nd ?

Not a fan of either team; just throwing out a possible solution to SJ not having a 2nd this upcoming draft.

Tatar will only be dealt for a top 4 RHD/LHD Not picks.