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Super impressive that Bure is on there despite him playing the fewest games of the bunch. Bure only played 702 games. If Bure stayed healthy, I think he's easily #1.

Prime Bure vs Prime Ovy today for goal scoring? Bure gives Ovy a run for his money.

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SeanMoneyHands said:
Super impressive that Bure is on there despite him playing the fewest games of the bunch. Bure only played 702 games. If Bure stayed healthy, I think he's easily #1.

Prime Bure vs Prime Ovy today for goal scoring? Bure gives Ovy a run for his money.

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I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. Impressive that Bure is high up there in terms of goals per game stat because he played so few games.....if he played more games his goals per game stat would likely be #1? Huh? The fewer games you play the easier it is to have a high per game stat (easier to have a low one as well of course). Bure also benefits in the per game department by only playing 100 or so games after the age of 30....Bossy even less.
 
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Toby91ca said:
I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. Impressive that Bure is high up there in terms of goals per game stat because he played so few games.....if he played more games his goals per game stat would likely be #1? Huh? The fewer games you play the easier it is to have a high per game stat (easier to have a low one as well of course). Bure also benefits in the per game department by only playing 100 or so games after the age of 30....Bossy even less.
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The fact Bure is even on the list with so few games compared to the other 4 is astonishing. If Bure played more games, he would only have more goals. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to keep up his goal scoring pace if his career wasn't ruined by injuries?

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Gretzky and Ovechkin are clearly in a different class than a guy like Bure. Both in terms of longevity and goal scoring ability
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I'm not sure I agree with that. Bure was by far the best goal scorer of his era. The guy never had a legit #1C in his career (no player even close to as good as Backstrom or Kuznetsov) and single handedly carried the '94 Canucks to the cup final.
 

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SeanMoneyHands said:
The fact Bure is even on the list with so few games compared to the other 4 is astonishing. If Bure played more games, he would only have more goals. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to keep up his goal scoring pace if his career wasn't ruined by injuries?
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The thread that you created is about goals per game. If you're talking about him being #1 for goals and not goals per game, you need to explicitly state that. Also, no. He wouldn't be.
 
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SeanMoneyHands said:
The fact Bure is even on the list with so few games compared to the other 4 is astonishing. If Bure played more games, he would only have more goals. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to keep up his goal scoring pace if his career wasn't ruined by injuries?



I'm not sure I agree with that. Bure was by far the best goal scorer of his era. The guy never had a legit #1C in his career (no player even close to as good as Backstrom or Kuznetsov) and single handedly carried the '94 Canucks to the cup final.
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Bure was a McDavid level talent in a league that still heavily favoured enforcers. He was a great talent but we need to be realistic
 
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SeanMoneyHands said:
The fact Bure is even on the list with so few games compared to the other 4 is astonishing. If Bure played more games, he would only have more goals. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to keep up his goal scoring pace if his career wasn't ruined by injuries?



I'm not sure I agree with that. Bure was by far the best goal scorer of his era. The guy never had a legit #1C in his career (no player even close to as good as Backstrom or Kuznetsov) and single handedly carried the '94 Canucks to the cup final.
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Lol what a joke. Not only is it another f***ing screenshot from some shitty website, you don’t even know how GPG works.

Of course a guy who didn’t play a lot due to injuries is going to have a higher GPG.
 
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SeanMoneyHands said:
The fact Bure is even on the list with so few games compared to the other 4 is astonishing. If Bure played more games, he would only have more goals. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to keep up his goal scoring pace if his career wasn't ruined by injuries?



I'm not sure I agree with that. Bure was by far the best goal scorer of his era. The guy never had a legit #1C in his career (no player even close to as good as Backstrom or Kuznetsov) and single handedly carried the '94 Canucks to the cup final.
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Playing a lot more games , Bure’s gpg will drop, weird you don’t understand that phenomenon.
 
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Toby91ca said:
Well, Gretzky's goal scoring fell off a cliff, very steep cliff after he got hurt. If he retired the same age as Bure, his GPG stat would have been ~0.78
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We could say the same with Lemieux. If he stopped at the 02-03 season, he'd be at 0.775.

We're talking 36 games and 8 goals here but still.
 
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two things need to happen to make this better

1. games played after a certain age need to be excluded. Bure didnt play any old man games that dropped his average. Neither did Bossy. Perhaps 32, or 34. in there somewhere.

2. When they played needs to be adjusted for. There is a reason Blaine Stoughton, Denis Maruk, Jacques Richard and a slew of others had better golascoring seasons that Crosby, Kovalchuk, Iginla, etc. and it isnt golascoring ability. Bure scored a lot of his goals in a very hard to score era. Ovechkin less so, but still much harder than most of Wayne and Mario's goals and every single one of Mike's.

Bossy actually gets the benefit of every angle in this current format - retired early, all games played in a wide open league, great centreman and team around him.

edit - this talk remonds me that Hasek, of his career is cut off at a certain age, was a career .926%! Of course this slowly dropped as he played into his 40s.
 
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SeanMoneyHands said:
The fact Bure is even on the list with so few games compared to the other 4 is astonishing. If Bure played more games, he would only have more goals. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to keep up his goal scoring pace if his career wasn't ruined by injuries?
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Not even sure where to start with this. You suggest the fact Bure is on the list with so few games compared to the other 4 is astonishing? How so? It's a goals per game list. Matthews would have been #1 on this list by a long, long, long shot after just playing 1 single game. What would be astonishing is if he was top 5 in all time goals scored after playing far fewer games than many others, but he's not, he's 74th.

What makes me think he wouldn't be able to keep up his goal scoring pace is that no player in the history of the game has been able to maintain their same pace over their entire career. Ovechkin is probably the biggest outlier here, freaky longevity, pre-30 he's at 0.62 and post-30 he's at 0.59.....but that is also a bit skewed due to the very low era scoring years in his 20s vs. higher scoring era in his 30s.

Bure also wasn't 6'3", 240lbs....his body just wasn't going to hold up and didn't
 
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Bure had 53 goals in 107 games for a .495 goals per game pace during his age 30 and 31 seasons.

He was already trending down.

Remove those seasons if he walked away after age 29 season and he'd be at a .645 goals per game rate.
 
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Lemieux and Bossy are the closest comparables in this picture for games played, Bure’s average needs to be closer/higher than there’s to even be in contention to be near Gretzky/Ovechkin
 
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