Value of: Top 4 Defensive RHD That Can Make a Good Breakout Pass to Edmonton

[Bryanbryoil]

Goaltending is another story. The Oilers IMO badly need a rugged defense oriented RHD that looks after his own end while Nurse does what Nurse does (for the good and the bad). Naturally this won't be coming from a team with playoff aspirations this early in the season. Who fits this description and what would it cost the Oilers to trade for him?

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[MabusIncarnate]

Oh have you heard of Jeff Petry?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Oh have you heard of Jeff Petry?

Sure have, liked him when he was an Oiler years ago. Why does Detroit move him? Has he been bad to start the season?

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Boston likely looking to move Gryzlyck. Guy can break a puck out and was top4 on all-time best team last year.

 

[wonton15]

Tyler Myers might be available

 

[Sky04]

They've been looking for one for like 8 years. Dunno why they didn't move on DeAngelo when he's been available like 3 times in the last 3 years.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Oh have you heard of Jeff Petry?

Petry has trade protection, been there done that.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Sean Walker, but I doubt the Flyers move him before the deadline unless for an overpay

 

[bernmeister]

Oh have you heard of Jeff Petry?

Sure have, liked him when he was an Oiler years ago. Why does Detroit move him? Has he been bad to start the season?

Petry not likely available now except for overpayment = conventional wisdom
Outside the box solution:
DET has 4.4M cap, so not much more than 4 works w'o balance

Panarin makes only .6ish more than Doughty, bread has 1 yr less term + is younger
That may/may not be enuf incentive, could be on paper.
Kings prob also want Strome who always had cheistry w/bread cheap
Rs are not acquiring Strome.
But ducks have Carlson, Zegras, MacTavish as a young pivot core, so he can be had fdor a profit.
Oil also want Gibson for net
Oil lack assets to acquire

1st deal:
Rs send LaF + Jones + cap dump Leshitshow [<1m expires next yr]
to Oil for
Broberg, Holloway, MacLeod + Lavoie

this works for Oil b'c LaF, moving forward, if sufficient skating now showing is another Steve Vickers who is a marketing coup, and the price paid are currently secondary pieces or not on the roster.
For NY, lower cost youth w/speed + upside

2. MY sends higher elc prospects McConnell-Barker and Sykora to Oil for EDM 2027 and 2029 1sts
This is otherwise overpayment to extent 1sts are above the draft positions, but mitigated by can is kicked WAY down the road.

3. Oil can now do their own 2024 1st + McConnell-Barker and Sykora + Campbell max retained 4 yrs down from 5 to 2.5 per
to ANA for
Gibson + Strome
build move by Ducks, Oil get G and trade item

4. 3 way, Oil, NY, LA
Kings get Panarin + Strome
Rs get Doughty
Oil get ____________ from LA for Strome

5 Trouba wil likely go next yr due to cap, and DET was only preferred destination besides NYR before he signed.
w/Fox/Doughty/Schneider as RD can do Trouba to Red Wings which enables Petry to Oil

3 way:
later cond 2024 or 2025 BOS pick + Rassmusen to NYR
NYR Trouba + NYR 2024 2nd + Jones via OIL to DET
Petry + about 6m cap dumps [maybe Kostin + Ghostb?] to EDM

That ballpark works $$ wise
Oil get netminder + usefful LD+RD now

other clubs, benes is as described
=================
after this, NYR deal Lindgren to ANA for RD prospect Helleson + 2024 2nd
this allows Ducks to move older Fowler replace w/younger Lindy
Rs LD = KAM, Gust and Broberg/Robertson/Scanlin for 3LD and compete for 2Ld w/1 reserve

 

[DearDiary]

Is John Marino still available?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Boston likely looking to move Gryzlyck. Guy can break a puck out and was top4 on all-time best team last year.

All time best team that didn't win one round?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Jonathan Kovacevic is playing like a solid top-4 RHD and has been for a while. One of the most underrated players that most on here haven't heard of or watched. Has been a consistent + player on bad teams. And is on a league min contract, with another season after this.

 

[CanadienShark]

Petry not likely available now except for overpayment = conventional wisdom
Outside the box solution:
DET has 4.4M cap, so not much more than 4 works w'o balance

Panarin makes only .6ish more than Doughty, bread has 1 yr less term + is younger
That may/may not be enuf incentive, could be on paper.
Kings prob also want Strome who always had cheistry w/bread cheap
Rs are not acquiring Strome.
But ducks have Carlson, Zegras, MacTavish as a young pivot core, so he can be had fdor a profit.
Oil also want Gibson for net
Oil lack assets to acquire

1st deal:
Rs send LaF + Jones + cap dump Leshitshow [<1m expires next yr]
to Oil for
Broberg, Holloway, MacLeod + Lavoie

this works for Oil b'c LaF, moving forward, if sufficient skating now showing is another Steve Vickers who is a marketing coup, and the price paid are currently secondary pieces or not on the roster.
For NY, lower cost youth w/speed + upside

2. MY sends higher elc prospects McConnell-Barker and Sykora to Oil for EDM 2027 and 2029 1sts
This is otherwise overpayment to extent 1sts are above the draft positions, but mitigated by can is kicked WAY down the road.

3. Oil can now do their own 2024 1st + McConnell-Barker and Sykora + Campbell max retained 4 yrs down from 5 to 2.5 per
to ANA for
Gibson + Strome
build move by Ducks, Oil get G and trade item

4. 3 way, Oil, NY, LA
Kings get Panarin + Strome
Rs get Doughty
Oil get ____________ from LA for Strome

5 Trouba wil likely go next yr due to cap, and DET was only preferred destination besides NYR before he signed.
w/Fox/Doughty/Schneider as RD can do Trouba to Red Wings which enables Petry to Oil

3 way:
later cond 2024 or 2025 BOS pick + Rassmusen to NYR
NYR Trouba + NYR 2024 2nd + Jones via OIL to DET
Petry + about 6m cap dumps [maybe Kostin + Ghostb?] to EDM

That ballpark works $$ wise
Oil get netminder + usefful LD+RD now

other clubs, benes is as described
=================
after this, NYR deal Lindgren to ANA for RD prospect Helleson + 2024 2nd
this allows Ducks to move older Fowler replace w/younger Lindy
Rs LD = KAM, Gust and Broberg/Robertson/Scanlin for 3LD and compete for 2Ld w/1 reserve

You're back!

 

[BKarchitect]

Jonathan Kovacevic is playing like a solid top-4 RHD and has been for a while. One of the most underrated players that most on here haven't heard of or watched. Has been a consistent + player on bad teams. And is on a league min contract, with another season after this.

I think you gotta keep Kovacevic until around the deadline. First, he’s been super solid but you need to build his resume further with a longer period of top four level minutes, if that’s what you are trying to market him as.

Second, the market will be much buzzier at the deadline for a player like him. Even if he reverts back to just being a solid citizen bottom pair minutes guy for the Habs - you are absolutely correct that contract is gonna give him value. And if he sustains a top four level role with good defensive metrics until February, he’s gonna be worth a lot.

And third - if he’s becoming a stabilizing player for the Habs, you might as well let him help in that role until either he is passed up or the trade value becomes too good.

 

[Petes2424]

They’re trying to change to a zone system. The worst thing you can do, is bring more new bodies into the equation unless they’re from zone systems already. Especially to cover for Nurse. That would mean, he’s not buying into the system and it won’t matter who you pair him with. The entire system collapses when they don’t all buy in.

If they’re still this bad after 10-12 games, they’re not buying in, and they have some big problems. It’s still new to them though, so you have to give them a chance to figure it out. With the talent they have, if they do figure it out, they’re gonna be in great shape.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

They’re trying to change to a zone system. The worst thing you can do, is bring more new bodies into the equation unless they’re from zone systems already. Especially to cover for Nurse. That would mean, he’s not buying into the system and it won’t matter who you pair him with. The entire system collapses when they don’t all buy in.

If they’re still this bad after 10-12 games, they’re not buying in, and they have some big problems. It’s still new to them though, so you have to give them a chance to figure it out. With the talent they have, if they do figure it out, they’re gonna be in great shape.

Nurse looks thoroughly confused with zone D. He was giving too much space to the Nucks forwards. His IQ is really low. Will be interesting to see if dumbing down the D system to a zone system will help. In theory i get the reason for it.

 

[McVespa99]

They’re trying to change to a zone system. The worst thing you can do, is bring more new bodies into the equation unless they’re from zone systems already. Especially to cover for Nurse. That would mean, he’s not buying into the system and it won’t matter who you pair him with. The entire system collapses when they don’t all buy in.

If they’re still this bad after 10-12 games, they’re not buying in, and they have some big problems. It’s still new to them though, so you have to give them a chance to figure it out. With the talent they have, if they do figure it out, they’re gonna be in great shape.

Probably this. II dont think I will panic just yet

 

[The Real JT]

Just shorten the title of the thread and leave out the part about the breakout pass.

 

[sennysensen]

Is there a team in the league that wouldn't want to add a top 4 right defenseman that can defend?

We've had recent threads about Toronto and Edmonton looking for this. It won't happen as the cost will be astronomical.

Better off settling for a LD that is capable of playing both sides.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

They’re trying to change to a zone system. The worst thing you can do, is bring more new bodies into the equation unless they’re from zone systems already. Especially to cover for Nurse. That would mean, he’s not buying into the system and it won’t matter who you pair him with. The entire system collapses when they don’t all buy in.

If they’re still this bad after 10-12 games, they’re not buying in, and they have some big problems. It’s still new to them though, so you have to give them a chance to figure it out. With the talent they have, if they do figure it out, they’re gonna be in great shape.

They don’t have the defensemen to play that system imo. You need smart two way D like Vegas.
But as you say, time will tell.

 

[jackjohnson]

Goaltending is another story. The Oilers IMO badly need a rugged defense oriented RHD that looks after his own end while Nurse does what Nurse does (for the good and the bad). Naturally this won't be coming from a team with playoff aspirations this early in the season. Who fits this description and what would it cost the Oilers to trade for him?

Ethan Bear

Nurse looks thoroughly confused with zone D. He was giving too much space to the Nucks forwards. His IQ is really low. Will be interesting to see if dumbing down the D system to a zone system will help. In theory i get the reason for it.

If his IQ is really low then would any system help at all? He is equal to our Myers and yet Myers looked better than him in the first 2 games. We complain about giving 6 mil to Myers because of his crap D, I just can't imagine giving 9.5 mil for Myers level of defensive play lol. Good job Holland

 

[jackjohnson]

Goaltending is another story. The Oilers IMO badly need a rugged defense oriented RHD that looks after his own end while Nurse does what Nurse does (for the good and the bad). Naturally this won't be coming from a team with playoff aspirations this early in the season. Who fits this description and what would it cost the Oilers to trade for him?

Nurse does what Nurse does? Or the simple solution which isn't that simple would be to trade Nurse. Solves all the problems and would not worry about who would need to babysit Nurse.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Petry not likely available now except for overpayment = conventional wisdom
Outside the box solution:
DET has 4.4M cap, so not much more than 4 works w'o balance

Panarin makes only .6ish more than Doughty, bread has 1 yr less term + is younger
That may/may not be enuf incentive, could be on paper.
Kings prob also want Strome who always had cheistry w/bread cheap
Rs are not acquiring Strome.
But ducks have Carlson, Zegras, MacTavish as a young pivot core, so he can be had fdor a profit.
Oil also want Gibson for net
Oil lack assets to acquire

1st deal:
Rs send LaF + Jones + cap dump Leshitshow [<1m expires next yr]
to Oil for
Broberg, Holloway, MacLeod + Lavoie

this works for Oil b'c LaF, moving forward, if sufficient skating now showing is another Steve Vickers who is a marketing coup, and the price paid are currently secondary pieces or not on the roster.
For NY, lower cost youth w/speed + upside

2. MY sends higher elc prospects McConnell-Barker and Sykora to Oil for EDM 2027 and 2029 1sts
This is otherwise overpayment to extent 1sts are above the draft positions, but mitigated by can is kicked WAY down the road.

3. Oil can now do their own 2024 1st + McConnell-Barker and Sykora + Campbell max retained 4 yrs down from 5 to 2.5 per
to ANA for
Gibson + Strome
build move by Ducks, Oil get G and trade item

4. 3 way, Oil, NY, LA
Kings get Panarin + Strome
Rs get Doughty
Oil get ____________ from LA for Strome

5 Trouba wil likely go next yr due to cap, and DET was only preferred destination besides NYR before he signed.
w/Fox/Doughty/Schneider as RD can do Trouba to Red Wings which enables Petry to Oil

3 way:
later cond 2024 or 2025 BOS pick + Rassmusen to NYR
NYR Trouba + NYR 2024 2nd + Jones via OIL to DET
Petry + about 6m cap dumps [maybe Kostin + Ghostb?] to EDM

That ballpark works $$ wise
Oil get netminder + usefful LD+RD now

other clubs, benes is as described
=================
after this, NYR deal Lindgren to ANA for RD prospect Helleson + 2024 2nd
this allows Ducks to move older Fowler replace w/younger Lindy
Rs LD = KAM, Gust and Broberg/Robertson/Scanlin for 3LD and compete for 2Ld w/1 reserve

Steve Vickers won the Calder and was in the 80s points wise by his 3rd year. Laf is NOWHERE NEAR that and never will be.

Is John Marino still available?

no? He never was.

 

[puckguy97]

My dream is Edmonton's 1st this year, its 3rd in 2025, Ceci, Broberg, and Bourgault for Brett Pesce. Highly doubt Carolina goes for it unless they think Pesce's ask on his next contract is completely astronomical but that's why it is a dream and not reality lol. The Oilers would then need to find a way to fit in Pesce's which makes it even more unlikely.

Otherwise something like Peeke + a bottom six F from Columbus for picks/prospects is more plausible. One of Kulak or Ceci would still need to be moved in that scenario, but both are fairly portable contracts given the lack of movement clauses and crippling term.

 

[Czechboy]

The dream is that Broberg improves enough to not make this necessary.

Reality isn't matching the dream right now.

Columbus has some good D on the block. Boqvist is a guy I'd kick tires on for Foegele. Not sure if he's RD and I know he isn't beloved on HF.lol