hockeyfan125
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Thelen?jtuzzi said:My list...
1. Phaneuf
2. Suter
3. Johnson
4. Kronwall
5. Meszaros
6. Tyutin
7. Barker
8. Seabrook
9. Coburn
10. Whitney
11. Bourdon
12. Weber
13. Thelen
14. Smid
15. Staal
Its hard to compare with some guys being 18 vs. early 20's.
Evilo said:Suter is too low.
He's IMO heavily overrated on this board, but still he's a better prospect than Barker or Tyutin.
1- Pitkanen
2- Phaneuf
3- Johnson
4- Suter
5- Meszaros
6- Whitney
7- Tuytin
8- Barker
9- Seabrook
10- Kronwall
Evilo said:Cobrun over Whitney?
Wow, just wow.
Yep, I'm not that sold on Kronwall.Hendo2k said:Seabrook, Tuytin over Kronwall? wow just wow
jtuzzi said:My list...
1. Phaneuf
2. Suter
3. Johnson
4. Kronwall
5. Meszaros
6. Tyutin
7. Barker
8. Seabrook
9. Coburn
10. Whitney
11. Bourdon
12. Weber
13. Thelen
14. Smid
15. Staal
Its hard to compare with some guys being 18 vs. early 20's.
Pitkanin played 71 games in the last NHL season, and now has 86 games of NHL experience. No matter the system, how can anyone classify him as a prospect?jtuzzi said:yessh.. I forgot about Pitkanen.
I would also like to include Eminger in there somewhere, hes playing great this year, and logging a ton of minutes.
Hendo2k said:Seabrook, Tuytin over Kronwall? wow just wow
Evilo said:Cobrun over Whitney?
Wow, just wow.
There's far more that goes into evaluating a defenceman's play than just stats. Keep in mind that he's a 21-year-old kid, playing at the pro level for the first time in his career. Many defencemen have an adjustment when they graduate from junior/college to pro. (Just ask Whitney).golleafsgo_17 said:Shawn Belle - Iowa Stars AHL - 11gp, 0g, 0a, 0pts
c'mon buddy, are you serious?
God Bless Canada said:There's far more that goes into evaluating a defenceman's play than just stats. Keep in mind that he's a 21-year-old kid, playing at the pro level for the first time in his career. Many defencemen have an adjustment when they graduate from junior/college to pro. (Just ask Whitney).
I never said Belle's going to be a Norris Trophy candidate, just a good, top-pairing defenceman (essentially a top 50-60 defenceman in the 30-team NHL) and one of the fastest skaters in the league.
If you guys watched Belle at last year's WJC, you'd see why I'm so high on him. He showed an ability to make the smart plays (something he didn't always do in the past), while doing it at a very quick tempo. He only had one assist in six games, but to me, he was the second best defenceman in the tournament (after Phaneuf).
great listsuperroyain10 said:I don't give too much credit to HF when it comes to rankings...
Dion is the undisputed number one. Coburn, Belle, Kronwall, and Tyutin do not belong/should be lower on that list, IMO. Belle is arguably not even the best in Dallas. There is a huge dropoff after the first three.
1. Phaneuf
2. Johnson- Very underrated
3. Suter- Doesn't have that explosive potential, but is a VERY safe prospect
4. Barker- Vastly overratted...gets this position based on prior achievements
5. Meszaros-A stud!
6. Kronwall- Is injury-prone, despite all his positives.
7. Tyutin- Based on the hype. He has so much talent; why does he not use it? He isn't a punisher and isn't a dazzling offensive star. Still, hes pretty good.
8. Ryan Whitney-Stellar in the AHL. Amazing offensively. Will outshine all Defensemen on this list offensively.
9. Babchuk- He still is not very solid defensively...screams out Jeff Jillson
10.Coburn-Overrated; could be the next Carlo Colc.
11.Aj Thelen- Sick defenseman. An absolute stud.
12.Weber-Meh. not much to say. Very good all-around, but he can't touch others potential-wise IMO.
13. Ladislav Smid- I have never seen play in the Czech league, but he has gotten very good reviews.
14. Grebeshkov-What a player! Tremendous work ethic. I think he will have a home in the NHL. He hits well for his size, and can quarterback a powerplay.
15.Bourdon-Has everyone forgotten about this stud?
16. Brian Lee-not sold on him, but has great potential. And, hes in Ottawa's system.
17. Carle-homer pick, but one of the best defenseman in college hockey should get something.
18. Seabrook-Underrated defenseman doing well on a bad team
19.Nisakanen-Gut feeling.
20. Ehrhoff-Has potential, but has not done a thing to live up to it. On potential alone, he's top 15.
kronwall led grand rapids in scoring last yr and won the eddie shore trophy as best AHL dman.Dallas Flames Fan said:wow?
the only wow to that is your reaction....
Seabrook has proven he is just as good if not better than Kronwall already....what has Kronwall proven anyway
I know hey, how dare someone pick a prospect over someone on your teams. Just wow!!!Evilo said:Cobrun over Whitney?
Wow, just wow.
MrMastodonFarm said:I know hey, how dare someone pick a prospect over someone on your teams. Just wow!!!
Would you stop your damn moaning. I would take Coburn over Whitney any day of the week. Whitney while great offensivly has made quite a few mistakes in his own end and is still 2 years older then Coburn. In two years time Coburn will be in Atlanta's top 4 and a solid player defensivly.Evilo said:Cobrun over Whitney?
Wow, just wow.