Top 10 General Managers?

The Macho King

Back* to Back** World Champion
Jun 22, 2011
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The argument against Slats is crazy. Are the Rangers right now not a top cup contender? Have they not been a constant playoff attendee for a long time now? Have they fallen ass backwards into top five picks? So what's the argument here? That he hasn't been absolutely perfect? Why is that what Sather needs to be to be respected but that isn't the bar for every other GM in the league?

This team just won the East last year. How is Sather not a top ten GM?

The guy has handed out some of the worst contracts in league history, and he lucked out of getting rid of both of them (otherwise wouldn't they both still be eating up ~14 million in cap space?). If it wasn't for gross incompetence from (I want to say) Bob Gainey, and then gifted two buyouts to get rid of the Redden and Richards contracts, the Rangers are far from getting to the Cup - in fact they're closer to the bottom of the league. Add on to that giving a plug like Tanner Glass a three year, 1.5 million contract. He's had some success - generally good drafting and generally very good trading - he has a huge blind spot when it comes to FAs.
 

Kel Varnsen

Below: Nash's Heart
Sep 27, 2009
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The guy has handed out some of the worst contracts in league history, and he lucked out of getting rid of both of them (otherwise wouldn't they both still be eating up ~14 million in cap space?). If it wasn't for gross incompetence from (I want to say) Bob Gainey, and then gifted two buyouts to get rid of the Redden and Richards contracts, the Rangers are far from getting to the Cup - in fact they're closer to the bottom of the league. Add on to that giving a plug like Tanner Glass a three year, 1.5 million contract. He's had some success - generally good drafting and generally very good trading - he has a huge blind spot when it comes to FAs.

Handing out those contracts hasn't hurt the franchise. He works for one the richest teams in the league, under an owner who is willing to spare no expense for his franchise. All those contracts combined have been a huge net positive for the team. Gomez produced solidly with the team, then was dealt for a super stud and the cap space to sign Gaborik who then produced a ton. Drury was the captain, and while he was over paid, his contract did not force us to lose home grown talent nor did it keep them out of the bidding for other pieces. Redden was buried, with his cap hit, in the AHL. Didn't hurt a bit. The buyout there was a favor to Redden, to let him try to get back into the NHL. The only thing he was costing was dollars, dollars Dolan was fine with parting with. Richards was a leader on the team, both in production on the ice and in leadership off of it, in his time in NY. He was bought out, and the only thing that was lost in the buyout was again cash Dolan didn't mind paying. The only way to bring in Richards was to pay him that price, and it was clearly worth it. The team doesn't do the elite work it does over those years minus him. Tanner Glass, whatever, he doesn't even really play and the fourth line is great without him. If you think Tanner Glass drops Slats out of being a clear cut top ten GM you're crazy, because it's a nothing move.

The Rangers have been incredibly successful under Sather for a while now, and Sather deserves the credit. He has full reign over the franchise, and it's clearly been a top franchise for a while now.
 

newfy

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Jul 28, 2010
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To be fair Hedman and Stamkos predated Yzerman. The moves he's made since he was hired have been great outside of the Lindback trade and maybe picking Connolly (he's been ok, but look at some of the guys picked after him) and even he's turned out to be a decent bottom 6 guy.

I'm definitely not saying Yzerman hasnt been great, he has. He walked into a situation with a 20 year old 60 goal scorer and a second overall upcoming number one defenseman. He definitely had a favourable situation going there. Compared to Holland who hasnt seena pick that high his entire tenure as a GM its codd to say Yzerman is a better GM. I love Yzerman and hope he comes back to Detroit at some point, but he hasnt had a lot of playoff success and the wings are right with him in the standings now. On top of that, Holland has a 20 year track record to back himself up as well.

I would have Yzerman in my top 5, with Holland as well. But I see some lists having Yzerman but no Holland and I think its premature for that
 

Voight

#winning
Feb 8, 2012
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I'm definitely not saying Yzerman hasnt been great, he has. He walked into a situation with a 20 year old 60 goal scorer and a second overall upcoming number one defenseman. He definitely had a favourable situation going there. Compared to Holland who hasnt seena pick that high his entire tenure as a GM its codd to say Yzerman is a better GM. I love Yzerman and hope he comes back to Detroit at some point, but he hasnt had a lot of playoff success and the wings are right with him in the standings now. On top of that, Holland has a 20 year track record to back himself up as well.

I would have Yzerman in my top 5, with Holland as well. But I see some lists having Yzerman but no Holland and I think its premature for that

Holland also walked into a situation with all time greats like Yzerman and Lidstrom not to mention the Russian Five, Fedorov and Shanny.

Im not trying to discount what Holland's done but he too walked into a favourable situation, one that was much better than Yzermans.
 

naihlflames

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Any list without Holland in the top10 is a joke. 23 straight and counting playoff appearances for the Wings. Next closest is 10 and only 6 teams have streaks of 5 years and counting.

I keep hearing how the Wings will fall apart without the salary cap and then without Yzerman, and Lidstom. Then it was going to be who comes after Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Well with always drafting late, Tatar and Nyquist are developing nicely and Pulkkinen, Mantha, and Larkin are coming down the pipeline.

Since he took over in 1997, the Wings have not missed the playoffs and have 3 Cups. Find me 10 more successful GM's than that. There are not.
 

newfy

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Holland also walked into a situation with all time greats like Yzerman and Lidstrom not to mention the Russian Five, Fedorov and Shanny.

Im not trying to discount what Holland's done but he too walked into a favourable situation, one that was much better than Yzermans.

He definitely walked into a great situation but that situation was 20 years ago. Hes now left his own mark on the wings and didnt just do it riding on someone elses coat tails. He drafted the guys to take over for Yzerman and Fedorov, and looks like he has some replacements for those replacements coming up right now as well.

Right now Yzerman has won a few playoff rounds and hit on some late round picks after inheriting a 60 goal scorer and a number one dman. That isnt enough to beat out Hollands resume. If Yzerman does it for a while like Holland has then we can talk
 

Zetterberg4Captain

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Holland also walked into a situation with all time greats like Yzerman and Lidstrom not to mention the Russian Five, Fedorov and Shanny.

Im not trying to discount what Holland's done but he too walked into a favourable situation, one that was much better than Yzermans.

wasnt holland part of the wings organizational staff making most if not all those decisions minus yzerman?
 

Kitchener Boy

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Bowman inherited that team. Granted, he was there for the building process, but his tenure as GM started in 2009, when the team already had its current core.

And as for the Bruins, some of their contracts will start to look bad. They have many cap circumventing contracts, which is not allowed anymore. Let's see how it goes for them moving forward.

He's good, but a lot of the Hawks success can be attributed to what happened before his tenure, rather than to the moves he made.
"And as for the Bruins, some of their contracts will start to look bad. They have many cap circumventing contracts, which is not allowed anymore. Let's see how it goes for them moving forward."

Nonsense

Name these many cap circumventing contracts which is not allowed anymore.
 
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quackquackquack

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Oct 10, 2012
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So the reigning GM of the year isn't in the top 5 of most people's lists even though he further improved the roster. Makes a ton of sense.
 

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