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Darth Menace

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I haven't seen a thread about this, but we lead the NHL in too many men penalties and we got one last night against Washington. Why so many and can they fix this? I find it irritating and can't go into the playoffs with these glitches all the time.
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Darth Menace said:
I haven't seen a thread about this, but we lead the NHL in too many men penalties and we got one last night against Washington. Why so many and can they fix this? I find it irritating and can't go into the playoffs with these glitches all the time.
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I would argue the one against Washington was actually fine. It slowed down the odd-man rush in OT and gave us more time to react and set up.

The other ones are guys on the bench being stupid and unfocused. Sure, you want to make quick changes, but you also have to recognize when a guy is not even getting off. Just because your guy is near the bench does not mean they are changing.

Wouldn't be surprised if it is the same few people making the mistake too. I doubt it is something that affects the entire team.
 
One thing we can be nearly certain of. We will see another in May. Keefe called this "unacceptable" about 3-4 TMM penalties ago, and they keep happening.

The staff we currently have is incapable of fixing it.
 
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It happens too often for it to be just on the players. There has to be a poor communication effect playing a part in this as well.

I know someone said we don't turn the puck over a lot, but some of our too-many-men penalties seem to happen with a turnover being a piece of the puzzle. Other times we have 6 guys literaly in the play... like, what?

We do the centreman out first thing on changes on the fly, but it happens with the D too so it cannot be just that.

I find it riduculous it happens so often, and we have all seen lots more that could have been called.

Come playoff time, PP's are harder to come by, I sure as hell hope we are not doling out free ones with these tmm situations.
 
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I would argue the one against Washington was actually fine. It slowed down the odd-man rush in OT and gave us more time to react and set up.

The other ones are guys on the bench being stupid and unfocused. Sure, you want to make quick changes, but you also have to recognize when a guy is not even getting off. Just because your guy is near the bench does not mean they are changing.

Wouldn't be surprised if it is the same few people making the mistake too. I doubt it is something that affects the entire team.
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I'd be interested in knowing who the culprits are, but I doubt that information is available. I know Nylander took the Washington penalty but I don't remember the play and does it mean it is even him?

I know none of us are on the bench to know, but is this a Keefe issue or a player issue.
 
During Babcock's tenure, Leafs were near the top in too many men penalties. He always wanted the C to go on the ice first regardless of which position was coming off, so I think it got confusing at times.

As for now, I'm not sure if they use the same tactic....haven't noticed too many instances where two Cs were on the ice together on the fly. I think communication and bad luck (puck hitting Kerfoot's skate near the bench, refs calling it tight) are the biggest factors. I agree with a post above about the one in Washington. Smart play by Willy lol
 
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During Babcock's tenure, Leafs were near the top in too many men penalties. He always wanted the C to go on the ice first regardless of which position was coming off, so I think it got confusing at times.

As for now, I'm not sure if they use the same tactic....haven't noticed too many instances where two Cs were on the ice together on the fly. I think communication and bad luck (puck hitting Kerfoot's skate near the bench, refs calling it tight) are the biggest factors. I agree with a post above about the one in Washington. Smart play by Willy lol
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Certainly calling it tight has a big part to do with it too. That alone is probably the difference between us and a mid-pack team right now. There have been many calls where other teams do it all the time without penalties getting called and we almost always get it called against us.

IIRC defense is a bigger culprit than forwards. It is usually something like Brodie coming off and both the LD and RD coming on.
 
you fix it by Sheldon not putting too many men on the ice.

Because that's what too many men is, it's a coaching penalty
 
I think we deserve the ones that get called but many similar don’t seem to get called in our favour.

That of course doesn’t excuse them. We can fast forward to a critical moment in the playoffs and a series is going to turn on whether we kill one, because we are getting one.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
you fix it by Sheldon not putting too many men on the ice.

Because that's what too many men is, it's a coaching penalty
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I guess ultimately everything comes down to coaching but it's not like Keefe is telling guys when to jump over the boards.
 
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Darth Menace said:
I'd be interested in knowing who the culprits are, but I doubt that information is available. I know Nylander took the Washington penalty but I don't remember the play and does it mean it is even him?

I know none of us are on the bench to know, but is this a Keefe issue or a player issue.
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Tavares has to he up there. He's definitely one of the worst/laziest line changers I've noticed.
 
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Too many men penalties are only on the coaching staff if they're confusing the players with last minute instructions as the lines are changing on the fly.

A usual change on the fly is as simple as can be. As the player waiting to jump on, you know who you're replacing.

Left winger knows he only jumps on when the left winger on the ice heads to the bench. Rinse, repeat for all positions.

If the coaching staff decides (on the fly) that the center has to get on the ice first, then it's on them to make sure the other 2 forwards know exactly which player they are specifically replacing.

That's when things get chaotic on the bench.

We wont really know if this is on the players or the coaches. But my feeling is this is a coaching thing. Changing on the fly is so basic. Players do slip up once in a while but the Leafs are crazy bad at this.

That tells me that the bench staff are micro managing some line changes.
 
The Washington one was on both Marner and Nylander. Marner was waving him on and then let up as he floated through the face-off circle. Nylander was too eager and took for granted that Marner would hustle the whole way.
 
I think it’s fair to say Marner needs to show a lot more hustle getting off the ice when a player is waiting to come on the ice while the play is coming down to our end. If you’re getting off, then get off; no reason to be coasting to the bench.

I’d actually love to know what percentage of our too many men penalties this season have been caused by players sauntering to the bench. Feels like that is highly correctable
 
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All Mod Cons said:
Tavares has to he up there. He's definitely one of the worst/laziest line changers I've noticed.
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Its usually the guy(s) jumping and not the guy leaving causing it.

Feels like there's a lot of discretion with this call that isn't consistent even within game. Then we have more confusion than we should with how we utilize the C out first and far side D.
 
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We certainly get called for it more than other teams, that's for sure. It's an easy call when we're not committing infractions enough for the ref's game management and evening out of penalties.
 
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This team leads the league in Too many men penalties - that's both a frustrating penalty and an easy fix.

Pay attention and you solve one of your greatest self inflicted problems.
 
Dekes For Days said:
We certainly get called for it more than other teams, that's for sure. It's an easy call when we're not committing infractions enough for the ref's game management and evening out of penalties.
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Bingo.

Leafs don't run their bench any different than the rest of the teams in the league. Too many men happens probably 5-10 times a game, just depends how the refs want to call it. It's a very convenient one to call when the Leafs are up 2 goals and the refs go into full game management mode.
 
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