Too many Americans?
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sipowicz
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Had a dream that the Jets drafted a Canadian, then I woke up and laughed, like that’s ever gonna happen!
GaryPoppins
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*Cole Perfetti has now entered the chat*
I think the biggest problem Canada has, it lacks that central body who helps with the development, if you compare with Europe and USA. The Canadiens also really lack that longer development route that can benefit many players. Most canadiens is getting that pro mentality from 16 when they join CHL is from that on an "asset" of some sort. And hockey is from the begining a very expensive sport and feels you have to pay alot of extra just to get access to good skillcoaches who dont really like share their knowledge to others (maybe have changed?)
USNDT has everyting under 1 roof, and everyone has access to it as long as you sort your academics, same in Sweden, Finland etc. All the SHL clubs invest large sums into their development, and soon Djurgården and Frölunda will have stiff competion for the best developing club in Sweden.
USNDT has everyting under 1 roof, and everyone has access to it as long as you sort your academics, same in Sweden, Finland etc. All the SHL clubs invest large sums into their development, and soon Djurgården and Frölunda will have stiff competion for the best developing club in Sweden.
In the US hockey is also very political and ridiculously expensive. I play with a lot of kids in the system and I hear a lot of the same issues as what exist in Canada.
I don't mind that we tend to draft a lot of Americans. Finns used to work out pretty well for us but we've hit a rough patch there. I feel like we're missing a cultural component somehow.
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If you don't expect long playoff runs they're great!
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And Lambert's dad is from Saskatoon... no probThey did, Danil Zhilkin represents Canada in international competitions
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I wonder if it is because of the stupid CHL protectionism. You draft an American player, that kid can leave college at any time, and start with the farm team, like any grown man should be able to earn a paycheque. Jets have had Connor, Roslovic, now looks like Lucius take that route. Trouba and Copp came straight out, one at 19, the other at 21. Getting a a highly skilled player into the development curve at 19 helps the process. Maybe that year on the farm gets a player to the NHL faster. Jets got lucky with Perfetti that he was allowed to go straight to the Moose, but I don't know if he'd be ready if he had to play two more years of junior instead of growing in the A. The flip side of drafting college players is that they can also be short term like the overagers Poolman and Suess, but in general I'd say that the NCAA is preparing NHL players bettter than Canadian juniors.
I wonder who is scouting all our Swedish players, because it seems like the Jets have consolidated their scouting to certain hot spots.
I wonder who is scouting all our Swedish players, because it seems like the Jets have consolidated their scouting to certain hot spots.
Andy6
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I don't know about drafting but part of their strategy seems to be to sign a lot from Minnesota and other Midwestern/Plains states that are close to Manitoba (even Nebraska) in hopes that players will see a bit of an advantage to being relatively close to family and friends and want to stick around. Maybe Winnipeg has a worse reputation among Canadians than it does among Americans (which is basically no reputation at all).
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I oppose centralized development in Canada. It would deprive communities of their teams. Note that in the USA only hockey has that model.
tbcwpg
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Well, the USNDPT does play against NCAA and USHL teams, so it does have that going for it.
You can oppose centralized development in Canada and that's not a wrong opinion to have - lots of smaller communities especially greatly support their teams. I think though that if you're looking for a reason why fewer Canadians are drafted, the centralized program in the US just produces better, consistent results.
He was the guy I wanted.
But Rutger is pretty darn skilled and put up points. And has size to boot, plus easy guy to root for (not that frank Nazar isn't either, from what I've heard and read of the kid).
Nazar adds a dynamic of skating and speed that we probably haven't had out of a high end prospect since KC.
Brainstrained
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Not sure what issue the OP wants to raise, but the numbers should be considered.
Over the past five drafts, the Jets have taken 7 Canadians, 6 Americans, 5 Swedes, and 6 from other countries - Finland, Russia, Belarussia and Great Britain. And it should also be noted that at least two of those non-Canadians had development years in Canada.
So what does "too many Americans, too few Canadians" mean if more than 40 per cent of the picks are non-North American and one doesn't take into account where all or part of their development occurs?
Over the past five drafts, the Jets have taken 7 Canadians, 6 Americans, 5 Swedes, and 6 from other countries - Finland, Russia, Belarussia and Great Britain. And it should also be noted that at least two of those non-Canadians had development years in Canada.
So what does "too many Americans, too few Canadians" mean if more than 40 per cent of the picks are non-North American and one doesn't take into account where all or part of their development occurs?
Hollywood3
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Here are the current NHLers career stats by national origin. Canadian players get more points and PIMs. By a LOT.
Active NHL Players Totals by Nationality - Career Stats
NHL Totals by Nationality - Active Players Career Regular Season Stats
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tbcwpg
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Here are the current NHLers career stats by national origin. Canadian players get more points and PIMs. By a LOT.
Active NHL Players Totals by Nationality - Career Stats
NHL Totals by Nationality - Active Players Career Regular Season Stats
Canadian points per game: 0.454
American points per game: 0.451
Not a significant difference. PIMs, who cares.
FonRiesen
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Based purely on this chart, we need more Russians: 0.556 p/game
But of course, there are so many other factors involved (like Russians may only play in NA if they have a good chance of succeeding; edge cases tend to stay in the KHL instead of bouncing between AHL & NHL). And many more...
The individual matters more than anyone's nationality...
Hollywood3
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On a career basis there is a large difference. In any event, the players chosen by the Jets over 11 years from the USA skews well outside the league average.
I also looked up playoff stats. We need Russians!
Here are the current NHLers career stats by national origin. Canadian players get more points and PIMs. By a LOT.
Active NHL Players Totals by Nationality - Career Stats
NHL Totals by Nationality - Active Players Career Regular Season Stats
Damn, guess the Jets shouldn't have passed on me for Kyle Connor in 2015. After all, I'm Canadian and he's American, so I must have been better at hockey.
Evaluate talent on an individual basis? Nah, just sort by nationality and go down the list of Canadians until they're all gone.
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