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Reminds me of same kind of "facts" when my team acquired a partying drunkard.

I was listening to the sirius-xm NHL channel earlier today when they had an Dale Weise on doing an interview. He explicitly stated that all of the "bad in the room - teammates hated him" narrative was ********. No truth to it at all and how he was pissed that things like that were being spread around now.

Also saw this which is an interesting twist on the Subban-Patches rift

 
Amazing how Therrien ***** on Subban for the risky play, but never criticizes Pacioretty for when he played absolutely lazy in regards to checking his man and preventing the goal from being scored. Absolute selfish and lazy play on Pacioretty's behalf.
 
Seems pretty standard. A guy goes out the door and to try and calm down the fanbase you get guys to throw that player under the bus.
 
Regarding the look who Doughty plays with comment...

Since it's being taken completely outside of any context it may have had...

Maybe, just maybe...

He simply meant Doughty is playing in front of a Vezina caliber goaltender in Quick (as well as behind a Selke caliber forward in Kopitar, but that's not even the point I'm going for) and PK was playing on an injury riddled team with a rotation of backups in net.
 
If all of this is true, it makes the Montreal Canadiens organization look like even more of a joke.

Hockey is what it is because it is the only sport (now that baseball is fun again) where extroverts are openly neutered as a part of the "culture" of the league/sport. First off, who gives a **** if PK made that Doughty comment? Is every player in the league supposed to spout cliches 110% of the time, even when they're not in front of the cameras? Good on him for speaking his mind, and if those players couldn't take it they're a bunch of mentally fragile pansies. Don't like what PK said? Bust your balls off and be better at hockey.

Second, a lot of this crap boils over when a team is losing. When the wins are rolling in, who gives a **** if a guy wants to go to a different event instead of the family Christmas party. At least, I'd hope that's what it is but based on some of those comments this has been happening for a couple years which makes the Habs look even worse. I've played sports up to a high school level and get the whole concept of wanting to create a culture in the dressing room...but it seems to get overblown at the NHL level where any deviance from the "clean cut Canadian kid" image is seen as disastrous beyond repair. Unsurprisingly, that's always the first thing that these archaic managers look to resolve rather than the talent of the team which would fix the actual problem of losing hockey games. Because seriously, if these grown ass men are so ****ing triggered that a member of their hockey team doesn't show up to a Christmas party that it affects their performance...what does that say about their character? It's one thing for a person to be an annoying, even toxic presence, but in most work places that doesn't excuse performance. It sure as hell wouldn't fly if I told my manager I'm slumming it at work because the kid three cubicles away is an *******. I'd be told to just maintain a professional working relationship and move on. An HR rep might listen to me ***** for a bit if it got that bad. That's it. If that kid is the best at what he does, he's definitely not getting fired just because he talks too loud at the water cooler. All around poor leadership starting from Bergevin and ending with Captain AINEC.

Finally, what the **** is with the obsession with controlling players during their off time? I get that these are elite athletes that need to keep their body in peak shape to perform on ice, but is PK supposed to follow curfew when he's injured for the sake of optics? Like he can't play an NHL game so he's supposed to be in the gym doing a Rocky style workout regimen until he can will his way into playing? That's ****ed, haha.

Overall, this does just sound like the typical post-trade smear campaign. This one is even funnier than "the Bruins have the best leadership in the league and even that character dressing room couldn't turn Seguin around" argument. "PK once pointed out the LA Kings are a good hockey team and it caused the Habs dressing room to meltdown."
 
It's laughable that Bergevin and Co. chose Michel Therrien over P.K. Subban. I hope P.K. wins the Norris next year and then mails it to Bergevin's house with a giant balloon of his own customized middle finger ala Colorado/NYR/Sakic offersheet
 
It sounds like a whole bunch of minor things that set a pretty low bar for what it takes to get run out of Montreal.

I was at university I MTL when the Theodore family loansharking scandal broke and when the Journal de Montreal printed a full cover picture of Theodore in a bar wearing a sombrero flanked on either side by members of a biker gang. That was some legit troublesome stuff. Or just last year, Kassian parties all night and a girl he's driving with wraps his truck around a tree. Troublesome.

Compare those to the PK stuff and it's not even in the same league of problems.

Montreal set a pretty low bar for the what it takes to be a bad teammate.
 
A lot of fans are really jealous of how much players make so the teams inact rather harsh personal integrity rules to try and stop them from rubbing the fans the wrong way. Coaches also tend to flaunt the integrity angle during interviews as well which owners love because it helps sales. All in all, it is okay that they make millions as long as they do not talk about it, enjoy it or think they are the product and not an employee. They want them to be grateful. Subban liked the attention.
 
I was listening to the sirius-xm NHL channel earlier today when they had an Dale Weise on doing an interview. He explicitly stated that all of the "bad in the room - teammates hated him" narrative was ********. No truth to it at all and how he was pissed that things like that were being spread around now.

Also saw this which is an interesting twist on the Subban-Patches rift



Says no one wished him well but Plekanec publicly came out doing so and said all of his teammates wished him the best.
 
Amazing how Therrien ***** on Subban for the risky play, but never criticizes Pacioretty for when he played absolutely lazy in regards to checking his man and preventing the goal from being scored. Absolute selfish and lazy play on Pacioretty's behalf.

If all of this is true, it makes the Montreal Canadiens organization look like even more of a joke.

Hockey is what it is because it is the only sport (now that baseball is fun again) where extroverts are openly neutered as a part of the "culture" of the league/sport. First off, who gives a **** if PK made that Doughty comment? Is every player in the league supposed to spout cliches 110% of the time, even when they're not in front of the cameras? Good on him for speaking his mind, and if those players couldn't take it they're a bunch of mentally fragile pansies. Don't like what PK said? Bust your balls off and be better at hockey.

Second, a lot of this crap boils over when a team is losing. When the wins are rolling in, who gives a **** if a guy wants to go to a different event instead of the family Christmas party. At least, I'd hope that's what it is but based on some of those comments this has been happening for a couple years which makes the Habs look even worse. I've played sports up to a high school level and get the whole concept of wanting to create a culture in the dressing room...but it seems to get overblown at the NHL level where any deviance from the "clean cut Canadian kid" image is seen as disastrous beyond repair. Unsurprisingly, that's always the first thing that these archaic managers look to resolve rather than the talent of the team which would fix the actual problem of losing hockey games. Because seriously, if these grown ass men are so ****ing triggered that a member of their hockey team doesn't show up to a Christmas party that it affects their performance...what does that say about their character? It's one thing for a person to be an annoying, even toxic presence, but in most work places that doesn't excuse performance. It sure as hell wouldn't fly if I told my manager I'm slumming it at work because the kid three cubicles away is an *******. I'd be told to just maintain a professional working relationship and move on. An HR rep might listen to me ***** for a bit if it got that bad. That's it. If that kid is the best at what he does, he's definitely not getting fired just because he talks too loud at the water cooler. All around poor leadership starting from Bergevin and ending with Captain AINEC.

Finally, what the **** is with the obsession with controlling players during their off time? I get that these are elite athletes that need to keep their body in peak shape to perform on ice, but is PK supposed to follow curfew when he's injured for the sake of optics? Like he can't play an NHL game so he's supposed to be in the gym doing a Rocky style workout regimen until he can will his way into playing? That's ****ed, haha.

Overall, this does just sound like the typical post-trade smear campaign. This one is even funnier than "the Bruins have the best leadership in the league and even that character dressing room couldn't turn Seguin around" argument. "PK once pointed out the LA Kings are a good hockey team and it caused the Habs dressing room to meltdown."

Great posts, especially the bolded portions. From day one, the Habs were trying to change Subban as a player and a person. They didn't like anything about him. He was too vibrant on the ice and off for a team that made it its mission to construct the most conservative, traditional, boring, and utterly outdated franchise possible. The only thing Subban was guilty of was having a big personality... but the Habs acted as though he was Michael Vick.

Could anyone imagine if Subban had said something like this?

 
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Talk about nitpicking. Could have summed up that they wanted someone that would gel better in the lockerroom and move one from there. All the examples given seem very frivolous.
 
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Great posts, especially the bolded portions. From day one, the Habs were trying to change Subban as a player and a person. They didn't like anything about him. He was too vibrant on the ice and off for a team that made it its mission to construct the most conservative, traditional, boring, and utterly outdated franchise possible. The only thing Subban was guilty of was having a big personality... but the Habs acted as though he was Michael Vick.

Could anyone imagine if Subban had said something like this?


More like day one of the MB/MT gongshow...
 
More like day one of the MB/MT gongshow...

Fair enough. As far as I'm concerned, Michel Therrien is the #1 offender with regard to the regressive, old-school, and ultra conservative mentality that stamps any flavor from the game. Easily my most despised person in hockey.

Banning the triple low five, for example, was utterly embarrassing.
 
It's strange that the Habs signed Radulov right after trading Subban. If everything Marinatro said was true. Subban will be child's play compared to Radulov.
 
It sounds like a whole bunch of minor things that set a pretty low bar for what it takes to get run out of Montreal.

I was at university I MTL when the Theodore family loansharking scandal broke and when the Journal de Montreal printed a full cover picture of Theodore in a bar wearing a sombrero flanked on either side by members of a biker gang. That was some legit troublesome stuff. Or just last year, Kassian parties all night and a girl he's driving with wraps his truck around a tree. Troublesome.

Compare those to the PK stuff and it's not even in the same league of problems.

Montreal set a pretty low bar for the what it takes to be a bad teammate.

The difference is those were outside issues. PK was great outside the locker room, It was INSIDE that he was a pain in the ass and over 5 years most of his teammates had grown to dislike him. If true that is abig problem. I have to wonder if a lot of the people brushing this off are people who have ]never played on a sports team or worked in an office where a character like this was a huge distraction. When you have a chance to get rid of it, for an amazing replacement in the shorternterm, some risk in the medium - you take it.
 
Now you're just shifting the goalposts. :laugh:

I'm not actually. There is no reason for me or you to care about a players actual salary. Their cap hit is the only thing that matters. I could not care less if Shea Weber was being paid $100 million this year by management as long as his cap hit is ~7.8 million.

I'm not sure why I'm explaining this. I'm sure you know this already.
 
Fair enough. As far as I'm concerned, Michel Therrien is the #1 offender with regard to the regressive, old-school, and ultra conservative mentality that stamps any flavor from the game. Easily my most despised person in hockey.

Banning the triple low five, for example, was utterly embarrassing.

Therrien is a ****ing clown and I will celebrate the day this 2 packs a day monkey is gone.
 
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