Tony Marinaro on why Subban was really traded

[Canadienna]

I don't know how true this is, but to the people saying he's a shill for the organization, there's no way.

He's asked some tough questions before especially this year when they were struggling.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

Problem is PKs teammates didn't want to and MB can't trade the whole team. The players spoke up. They didn't at all vote for him for captain. They didn't attend his hospital PC. They didn't vote for the Clancy award when he gave 10 million. It became clear after this disaster season that his teammates didn't want him around. The players made their choice and got what they want. It's put up or shut up time .

More of an indictment on MT and MB than anyone else. And who cares if players didn't attend? You're assuming they were invited in the first place. People are using a lot of speculation here.

 

[Plekanov]

All Galchenyuk friends are traded and replaced by comrads...Poutine must be behind this!

 

[Nexus]

Reminds me of same kind of "facts" when my team acquired a partying drunkard.

 

[SB164]

The Montreal Canadiens official Facebook and Twitter pages have yet to post a single "good luck P.K. Subban!" or "thank you P.K. Subban!" post.

 

[PJJ]

lets try to make it seem like we didn't make an idiotic trade

 

[sully1410]

I'm sorry but there is absolutely no organization that would have allowed this stuff...now we are sup posed to believe that Montreal did? Ridiculous.

 

[Knave]

Reminds me of same kind of "facts" when my team acquired a partying drunkard.

Because being traded does change things.

Subban was established in the Habs dressing room and it's pretty clear the atmosphere was not very positive in that room - partially due to Subban and Pacioretty (plus his supporters on the team). Now he has to go into a new lockerroom where he doesn't really know anyone. There's not going to be an established agenda against him by Nashville players. He'll likely work hard to fit in and it will all work out.

 

[billy piton]

Pk's fans over the years whenever its been implied that he's an issue in the lockerroom:

i don't care if he was an issue in the lockerroom. it is coach's and gm's job to deal with 23 egos in the lockerroom and bring the best out all of them. subban didn't do anything drastic (eg. breaking the law, substance abuse or something similar) and even those thngs tends to be forgiven when happens to the best player. and subban was habs best player.

habs, bruins and all those ****** old school organizatons will continue to have the most delightful christmas parties in the nhl, but stanley cups will end up somewhere in dallas and nashville...

 

[Nordic*]

Seems like they could've done much better than Weber.

I'll have a hard time cheering for Nashville now, never liked Subban...

 

[DaveG]

Reminds me of same kind of "facts" when my team acquired a partying drunkard.

Bingo. This just reeks of the type of crap you get all the time from the Boston media. VERY rarely have I seen a hit piece done on anyone like this where it's been even remotely warranted.

 

[David Suzuki]

The Montreal Canadiens official Facebook and Twitter pages have yet to post a single "good luck P.K. Subban!" or "thank you P.K. Subban!" post.

They've retweeted his tweets about how much he loved Montreal. I think you're halo reaching here.

 

[PSGJ]

Except that's not true at all . There are players who underachieved last year who have no accountability whatsoever simply because they're favourites of Therrien (who has no accountability himself). If anything, this move will have the opposite result - it will emphasize to the usual suspects that they are untouchable.

Bergevin should have fired Therrien and told the whiners that if they felt they couldn't get along with everyone on the team he was happy to find a new home for them.

Sums it up perfectly.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

We've been hearing stuff about PK rubbing his teammates and management the wrong way for years now. Nothing new. Not sure why so many folks are jumping up and down claiming it's a smear campaign, when this talk has been happening for so long.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

We've been hearing stuff about PK rubbing his teammates and management the wrong way for years now. Nothing new. Not sure why so many folks are jumping up and down claiming it's a smear campaign, when this talk has been happening for so long.

And why do you think that is? Therrien already took the job ready to "break" PK and make him a "better person". He was on record saying this when he was hired. He then continued to throw him under the bus constantly. Referring to his play as individualistic. PK loses the puck, Max doesn't cover his guy...PK gets the blame, Max untouchable. So there was a lot of crap that was tossed on PK's plate that has gone unnoticed by many here.

Here's the deal, PK is a "NBA" type player (not my words, the words many used to describe him)...you can take that for however you want to take it. A hockey locker room is full of archaic, old school white men...any exuberant "NBA" type player would likely clashed with that kind of crowd. The ones he didn't clash with were traded away.

So this is just an example of an older, conservative culture not embracing someone from a different culture. Nothing more, nothing less.....but go ahead and smear PK. Guy played with more intensity in practice than half his teammates played with in actual games.

 

[Juicy Pop]

Kane gets praised for what he does on the ice, not outside off it.

If Subban's demeanor didn't affect the team negatively, why did they agree with a trade that will have negative value in the future?

I think you're getting caught in the trap of assuming that a management group is necessarily full of completely rational actors.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Based on what? Signing bonuses in Weber's contract are annual and to be paid out before the season begins. NSH isn't going to pay 68mil in signing bonuses in one lump sum, so you still have 2 more years of signing bonuses, pushing Weber at 12mil actual dollars before it starts plummeting. As far as I remember, signing bonuses are to be paid out by the team in July 1st (subject to change depending on what the contract states). As long as Weber was a Canadien before July 1st, Molson is paying his bonuses.

The"cap benefit" has largely been paid already.

 

[Blues88]

Not even mildly surprised by anything in here.

The only people who don't already know that Subban was a dressing room problem are Montreal fans.

Players who are elite defenseman on long-term contracts do not get traded for a a player of the same position who is a worse player on a worse contract unless they are a problem in the dressing room.

Subban is VERY clearly a problematic hockey player in the dressing room.

Confirmation bias alert.

One could just as easily say that no GM trades away an elite defenseman on long term contract for a player of the same position who is a worse player on a worse contract unless they are incompetent in the front office.

Mark Bergevin is VERY clearly an incompetent GM in the front office.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Marinaro sounds far too in love with himself to be taken at face value

An NHL exec called him to talk to him about Subban? What preposterous nonsense. The players confide in him?

No doubt there's a lot of truth to what he's saying, and it's quite clear Bergevin felt that something had to be done in regards to PK vs the rest of the room but the amount of drama/cloak and dagger stuff in which he inserts himself here is laughable.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Confirmation bias alert.

One could just as easily say that no GM trades away an elite defenseman on long term contract for a player of the same position who is a worse player on a worse contract unless they are incompetent in the front office.

Mark Bergevin is VERY clearly an incompetent GM in the front office.

Poile is incompetent?

Weber is better, and has the better contract. The last three years are Nashville's problem, not Montreal's.

In before Weber is declining. So is pk.

 

[JLP]

For people outside the Qc Tabloid EchoChambre, the problem is and always has been Therrien.

Brian Wilde on TSN 1290: "I have no fondness for Michel Therrien. He's a bully. He's not a good coach. He's not a good man."

https://soundcloud.com/tsn1290roundtable/brian-wilde-june-30-2016

 

[ChuckLefley]

Personally I like Subban, but think he is wildly inconsistent. When it comes to this thread we have multiple sources saying the same or similar things, but people refuse to believe it. That's called wearing your fan goggles.

I also have to point out that the donation means nothing about the type of person Subban is. Many a bad person has made a large charitable donation on the recommendation of confidants/agents/PR people, etc. as a way to improve ones image. In this case, he could do it to force the Habs hand by making him a fan favorite off the ice for both the way the Habs handle his issues publicaly and who to make the captain. Keep in mind I'm not saying this is what he did, just pointing out a possibility for those who think the donation proves what a great guy he is.

 

[a587b]

Sometimes an individual is the problem. Sometimes it's the larger group that is causing the problem, not the individual that is at odds with that group. Nobody here knows just what was going on in the Mtl dressing room.

 

[Habsawce]

Should have made P.K. captain.

 

[TT1]

I think you're getting caught in the trap of assuming that a management group is necessarily full of completely rational actors.

the question you should be asking is what incentive do the Canadiens have of trading Subban if there really were no issues in the locker room?

when was the last time you saw a top dman in the league get traded while he was still in his prime (and im assuming Subban didnt ask for a trade.. but who knows)? happens very rarely.