Tony Marinaro on why Subban was really traded

[Random Forest]

the question you should be asking is what incentive do the Canadiens have of trading Subban if there really was no issues in the locker room?

Nobody is denying that there were problems. The only contention is why those problems existed and whether or not Subban deserved to be blamed for them.

 

[Habsawce]

I would have traded Pacioretty and told everyone else to smarten up. But then again, I'm not in the foxhole.

 

[Guy Germaine]

Love Subby for what he brings to the ice, but he's the only player I've ever seen wear his own branded cap in a post game interview.

 

[Slew Foots]

Not sure if this was posted already or not, but there are always two sides to any story, and if people are willing to consider Tony Marinaro's alleged inside info, they should also consider Jimmy Murphy's alleged inside info...go to the 42:00 mark of this podcast: https://soundcloud.com/user-878963498/dump-n-chase-podcast-episode-2

 

[JLP]

Love Subby for what he brings to the ice, but he's the only player I've ever seen wear his own branded cap in a post game interview.

The off-ice "issues" that have come out so far are amazingly petty: wearing his cap, a cashmere shirt, grabbing the first(?) pizza slice, salty quips, talking loudly, late for one meeting, missing the Christmas party etc.

I'd say so far they only make Captain Maxi and his cohorts look like a buncha wusses

 

[Zen Arcade]

I feel like we would've heard about the missed meetings and curfews before now if they had actually happened.

There's no way that's going to be kept under wraps in a city like Montreal with a player like Subban and a coach like Therrien involved.

 

[JS19]

The"cap benefit" has largely been paid already.

Largely =! Fully

Your GM is still on the hook for 2 years.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Largely =! Fully

Your GM is still on the hook for 2 years.

Gms care about cap hit and recapture.

 

[TB1299]

Love Subby for what he brings to the ice, but he's the only player I've ever seen wear his own branded cap in a post game interview.

Tom Brady does it. Who cares? Lots of playerskill have their own sites and brands.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The off-ice "issues" that have come out so far are amazingly petty: wearing his cap, a cashmere shirt, grabbing the first(?) pizza slice, salty quips, talking loudly, late for one meeting, missing the Christmas party etc.

I'd say so far they only make Captain Maxi and his cohorts look like a buncha wusses

Individually, they do. As a cumulative effect, likely not.

 

[Blues88]

Poile is incompetent?

Weber is better, and has the better contract. The last three years are Nashville's problem, not Montreal's.

In before Weber is declining. So is pk.

Not familiar with logical fallacies I guess?

You really want to argue this made the Habs better? They don't have a LHD remotely comparable to Josi to handle the transition heavy lifting.

These are the kinds of decisions that lend a little creedence to the "respeck da system" memes. Shortsighted to be sure, and the tar and feather parade is downright embarrassing. And then they sign Radulov, that renowned, team-first guy....

The optics are bad.....the reality is probably worse. Good luck with all that.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Not familiar with logical fallacies I guess?

You really want to argue this made the Habs better? They don't have a LHD remotely comparable to Josi to handle the transition heavy lifting.

These are the kinds of decisions that lend a little creedence to the "respeck da system" memes. Shortsighted to be sure, and the tar and feather parade is downright embarrassing. And then they sign Radulov, that renowned, team-first guy....

The optics are bad.....the reality is probably worse. Good luck with all that.

Adding sorely lacking toughness, leadership and goal scoring, while removing a distraction at the same time - yes absolutely this makes the Habs better. I mean how much worse could they be than last year, MVP hurt or not?

Radulov is a one year audition, again for a team sorely lacking goal scoring. Yes he should help the Habs. If he doesn't or if he proves to be a distraction - we're not married to him for the next 6 years.

For those that have seriously followed the Habs, there has always been smoke around PK, his coach, his teammates, his captain. This is by no means *only* a smear campaign.

I've literally heard posters say we should have traded the whole team away, fired all management and built around PK. He's not that good. He's not good enough to do that, and risk having to do it again in 6 years when the new guys have had enough of him.

 

[Captain And Coke]

I would have traded Pacioretty and told everyone else to smarten up. But then again, I'm not in the foxhole.

Have to say, that's what I was thinking too.

 

[Mrb1p]

Its Tony Marinaro, so I wouldn't lose too much sleep over his supposed inside information. He likes to think he is more important than he really is.

Thing is, Marinaro was always good to Subban. Probably the most vocal supporter of Pk in the whole media. Subban and him were somewhat close in montreal.

It's a weird turn of event.

 

[Mrb1p]

Love Subby for what he brings to the ice, but he's the only player I've ever seen wear his own branded cap in a post game interview.

 

[JS19]

Gms care about cap hit and recapture.

Now you're just shifting the goalposts.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Except that's not true at all . There are players who underachieved last year who have no accountability whatsoever simply because they're favourites of Therrien (who has no accountability himself). If anything, this move will have the opposite result - it will emphasize to the usual suspects that they are untouchable.

Bergevin should have fired Therrien and told the whiners that if they felt they couldn't get along with everyone on the team he was happy to find a new home for them.

But that would show actual leadership and conviction. Much easier to just say it and hope no one realizes you're full of ****.

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

I've literally heard posters say we should have traded the whole team away, fired all management and built around PK. He's not that good. He's not good enough to do that, and risk having to do it again in 6 years when the new guys have had enough of him.

I was one of those. Everyone can have a brain cramp one in a while.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

the many posts supporting Subban from fans around the league is encouraging.

the only Subban hating in this thread is coming from some Sens fans, some Leafs fans, some Bruins fans, and (sigh) some Habs fans too.

my take... i'm one of the biggest Subban fans around. had his avatar over there on the left for a long, long time until last Wednesday. he's been my favorite player on the Habs for quite some time now.

my initial reaction was anger and disbelief. i couldn't believe they were letting such an excellent young player go, only to side with stiffs in management from the old school. especially the coach, who i truly believe is terrible. dumb, old-fashioned, spiteful. i hate Therrien more than anyone else in the Habs org.

all that being said, i've been processing for a few days and i've come around to thinking that maybe this was a win-win trade. Subban just wasn't meshing with the Habs (despite being one of the best defensemen in the league), and MB pulled the trigger.

we'll see how everything shakes out, in the meantime i'm going to keep cheering for my Habs, and for Subban too -- I hope he wins a cup in Nashville.

go Habs go!!

 

[strictlyrandy]

Nothing but a smear campaign. P.K. is the better player and Montreal narrowed their window all because MB and MT didn't like a player that wasn't a good old boy. The hilarious part is they go after Radulov after ditching a large community presence that's done nothing but grow the game and put butts in seats.

 

[Stawks]

These are professional athletes, man. If you play below your level because you dont get along with someone on the team, sounds like you're the problem.

If it was such common sense that people like Subban made their teams worse, why do teams that trade away players for character issues never seem to improve? Boston traded away Seguin, haven't exactly been an elite team since. Have the Flyers been back to the finals since they jettisoned Carter and Richards?

Kessel was considered a cancer, goes to Pittsburgh for peanuts and has an MVP-level performance en route to a cup.

Trading a player for character issues is ******** psychology. This is just character assassination nonsense to make the organisation seem better

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

These are professional athletes, man. If you play below your level because you dont get along with someone on the team, sounds like you're the problem.

If it was such common sense that people like Subban made their teams worse, why do teams that trade away players for character issues never seem to improve? Boston traded away Seguin, haven't exactly been an elite team since. Have the Flyers been back to the finals since they jettisoned Carter and Richards?

Kessel was considered a cancer, goes to Pittsburgh for peanuts and has an MVP-level performance en route to a cup.

Trading a player for character issues is ******** psychology. This is just character assassination nonsense to make the organisation seem better

Exactly.

 

[WeThreeKings]

These are professional athletes, man. If you play below your level because you dont get along with someone on the team, sounds like you're the problem.

If it was such common sense that people like Subban made their teams worse, why do teams that trade away players for character issues never seem to improve? Boston traded away Seguin, haven't exactly been an elite team since. Have the Flyers been back to the finals since they jettisoned Carter and Richards?

Kessel was considered a cancer, goes to Pittsburgh for peanuts and has an MVP-level performance en route to a cup.

Trading a player for character issues is ******** psychology. This is just character assassination nonsense to make the organisation seem better

All of the **** that I see go on in Hockey.. it's like, can you ****ing idiots invest in some Human Resources people?

Horrible hiring processes.. inability to hold people accountable, solve disputes etc.

None of this **** happens under Bill Belichick. Somehow, those players all do better under him. Except Hernandez but he was obviously a psychopath.

 

[gambitlebo]

-I was told this story by multiple sources, you know when players hang out in the locker room.. they talk together about stuff. At 1 point Doughty's name came up.. and PK supposedly said something to the effect of "he'll win the Norris, i mean look who he plays with, look who i play with". *********

Who did Doughty play with this year that gave him the Norris? The Kings backend had Muzzin and Martinez and...well, other than that there really wasn't much there.

Is he talking about the forwards? If that's the case, I would say if you are going to demand top tier players, you can't demand top money for yourself. Teams have a salary cap and an internal budget. If you are taking XXX of that up, well guess what???? Your team isn't going to be a deep. It's simple math.

Sounds to me PK got traded because he lives in a world where he feels sorry for his self way too much.

Great players never point the finger or shift blame. PK seems to think it's everyone's fault but his. Difference in Weber and PK? I've never hear or read reports of Weber blaming his teammates for loses, be it games or individual trophy awards.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

the many posts supporting Subban from fans around the league is encouraging.

the only Subban hating in this thread is coming from some Sens fans, some Leafs fans, some Bruins fans, and (sigh) some Habs fans too.

my take... i'm one of the biggest Subban fans around. had his avatar over there on the left for a long, long time until last Wednesday. he's been my favorite player on the Habs for quite some time now.

my initial reaction was anger and disbelief. i couldn't believe they were letting such an excellent young player go, only to side with stiffs in management from the old school. especially the coach, who i truly believe is terrible. dumb, old-fashioned, spiteful. i hate Therrien more than anyone else in the Habs org.

all that being said, i've been processing for a few days and i've come around to thinking that maybe this was a win-win trade. Subban just wasn't meshing with the Habs (despite being one of the best defensemen in the league), and MB pulled the trigger.

we'll see how everything shakes out, in the meantime i'm going to keep cheering for my Habs, and for Subban too -- I hope he wins a cup in Nashville.

go Habs go!!

the fans who've seen him the most