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Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part IV

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It felt like DeAngelo was tryna show he can hang with the big boys last night. Looked kinda nervous, forced lots of plays that weren't there and tried to get too cute a lot of times. His decision making and poise with puck is farrrrrrrr better than what he showed last night. Not that he had a bad game necessarily but he'll be better
 
B17 Apricots said:
It felt like DeAngelo was tryna show he can hang with the big boys last night. Looked kinda nervous, forced lots of plays that weren't there and tried to get too cute a lot of times. His decision making and poise with puck is farrrrrrrr better than what he showed last night. Not that he had a bad game necessarily but he'll be better
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yes agreed.

the speed that peg has plus the size was a tall order right outa the gate. that team can flat out skate and score. some bad passes from ADA which is unusual and some allowing guys to get on his hip and blow by him. ehlers is fast. he will beat many dmen. im sure nerves and needing more ice time was at play.

not worried about tony as much as his partner. thats a tall order to drag that corpse around every night.
 
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Eh, the defense as a whole sucked. Check this play. Ehlers is anchored on the half wall in his own zone, has to face his own goal to catch the pass...has all the time in the world to turn back up ice and accelerate into the Ranger zone from a dead stop. That can't happen at the NHL level. Tony didn't play it well and his partner let Wheeler get behind him to the goal.

 
thats a tough play all around. this pair will not shine defending speed on the rush. staal too slow and tony isnt in his comfort zone either.

first off, staal loses his man and turns late letting wheeler get outside of him and beat him to the net. at the same time, ehlers is fast AF and ADA was late closing the gap and before he can, nik blows past him and makes a perfect lead pass to a streaking wheeler.

ADA needs to force him wide to the wall there and gets a late turn.

staal needs to keep contact with wheeler and doesn't and lets him go and is late when the pass arrives.

that kind of speed will beat defenders more talented than those 2 for sure. tip of the cap there. what can you do it was a beauty play by two skilled guys.
 
I am sorry but that play is equally on both Staal and TDA, not one or the other. Staal was horribad there, he let his guy go right around him, like a traffic cone, for tap in goal. That's a huge no no.

Let's face it, Ehlers is an elite skater, he took Deangelo wide and went right around him. He has to do something to mitigate that speed.

Kreider did that several times last night to Winnipeg, the Rangers don't have a compliment to CK at the moment or he may have had a tap in or two as well.
 
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again, no question that pair struggled all night with deep pressure and that relentless forecheck. they got hemmed in and couldn't get pucks up ice at all.

plus, ADA and staal off the rush need to stop backing up so much.

they surrender days worth of ice and as they backup, the puck carrier gains speed and that hip swivel late doesnt allow enough time to get the guy outside. ADA needs to step up more but does he feel hes got help from staal who skates like hes got timberlands on ?

having marc staal as your partner aint ideal. if it were me, i would back up as well trying not to create 2 on 1's i know my partner cannot defend.

its one game, they both can improve with more time.

that peg team will break lots of ankles this yr especially early.
 
SA16 said:
That play to me is almost all on Tony for not recognizing at center ice that he needed to turn around and force Ehlers to the wall instead of just skating backwards way off him in the center of the ice. Staal's play was bad too but if Tony just cut him off at the blue line it wouldn't have mattered.
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(I know we're putting one play from Opening Night on a rebuilding team under a microscope but it's nice to have a somewhat intelligent discussion here so i'll continue.)

I agree but only thing I'll say is Rangers general lack of defensive structure made that read and decision harder that it should've been. If you see what he's looking at here, it's a 2 on 1. That's why I he backed off and just played CF. Kreider deserves some blame for not being on Schifele tighter and sooner as the 3rd forward high there.

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offdacrossbar said:
again, no question that pair struggled all night with deep pressure and that relentless forecheck. they got hemmed in and couldn't get pucks up ice at all.
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This is where my concerns about size come in. I could see that pair struggling all year against forecheck or in front of net.
 
SA16 said:
That play to me is almost all on Tony for not recognizing at center ice that he needed to turn around and force Ehlers to the wall instead of just skating backwards way off him in the center of the ice. Staal's play was bad too but if Tony just cut him off at the blue line it wouldn't have mattered.
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What?

He played that fine, he kept him to the outside, it's not his fault his defense partner didn't pick up the man he should have. That would have been an absolute nothing play had Staal had his man covered but he lost him and he was able to score an easy tap in.

You can't just cut someone off, especially a player of that skill, he could have easily danced around DeAngelo by banking it off the board or deking him, that would have been a terrible decision to try and take the body in the middle of the neutral zone when Ehlers has speed.
 
I love Tony but I put that goal on him. That gap was inexcusably bad. That is a huge reason why Ehlers was able to build up so much speed in the first place.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
I love Tony but I put that goal on him. That gap was inexcusably bad. That is a huge reason why Ehlers was able to build up so much speed in the first place.
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He already had the speed coming out of the defense zone lol.

Only in ranger land do you keep a guy outside the faceoff dots and get blamed for a goal :laugh:
 
Wasn't there a poster on this board who was supposedly going golfing with Adam McQuaid this summer and was going to come back with the inside scoop on DeAngelo? Thought I remember that being posted in the DeAngelo thread...
 
ponzu4u said:
Wasn't there a poster on this board who was supposedly going golfing with Adam McQuaid this summer and was going to come back with the inside scoop on DeAngelo? Thought I remember that being posted in the DeAngelo thread...
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The inside scoop on what exactly?
 
The Crypto Guy said:
He already had the speed coming out of the defense zone lol.

Only in ranger land do you keep a guy outside the faceoff dots and get blamed for a goal :laugh:
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He had Tony beat. All Tony could do at that point was poke check in vain. The only reason Ehlers didn't cut it in and make a move to the net was because Wheeler had beaten Staal by that point and that was the better play.

I understand placing more of the blame on Staal there, but that was bad gap control at any level of hockey.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
What?

He played that fine, he kept him to the outside, it's not his fault his defense partner didn't pick up the man he should have. That would have been an absolute nothing play had Staal had his man covered but he lost him and he was able to score an easy tap in.

You can't just cut someone off, especially a player of that skill, he could have easily danced around DeAngelo by banking it off the board or deking him, that would have been a terrible decision to try and take the body in the middle of the neutral zone when Ehlers has speed.
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Damn dude, remove them homer goggles. I know you and others ride for Tony but....He let Ehlers gain easy entry and then allowed him to make that cross-ice pass across his body. Hockey mistakes are a snowball/domino effect. DeAngelo didn't play it well and Staal got beat to the net and that's how goals against happen in hockey.

Staal could have bailed out Tony by defending Wheeler and the pass better, but DeAngelo could have neutralized things before they got to that point. Not binary. Things compound.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
What?

He played that fine, he kept him to the outside, it's not his fault his defense partner didn't pick up the man he should have. That would have been an absolute nothing play had Staal had his man covered but he lost him and he was able to score an easy tap in.

You can't just cut someone off, especially a player of that skill, he could have easily danced around DeAngelo by banking it off the board or deking him, that would have been a terrible decision to try and take the body in the middle of the neutral zone when Ehlers has speed.
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He got completely burned to the outside and gave Ehlers way too much room to make a play. He played it like a CB in football playing prevent defense starting 10 yards off the receiver.

I'm a huge fan of DeAngelo. He played that very poorly.
 
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SA16 said:
He got completely burned to the outside and gave Ehlers way too much room to make a play. He played it like a CB in football playing prevent defense starting 10 yards off the receiver.

I'm a huge fan of DeAngelo. He played that very poorly.
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They are taught to keep them to the outside, yea he got beat to the outside but that is a low danger area. The only reason why it turned dangerous is because it was basically a 2 on 1 because Staal lost his man. If Staal had his man tied up absolutely nothing happens on that play. And I'm a big Staal fan still despite him getting a bit slower so i don't normally like to jump on him since 90% of the board already does.
 
Filthy Dangles said:
Eh, the defense as a whole sucked. Check this play. Ehlers is anchored on the half wall in his own zone, has to face his own goal to catch the pass...has all the time in the world to turn back up ice and accelerate into the Ranger zone from a dead stop. That can't happen at the NHL level. Tony didn't play it well and his partner let Wheeler get behind him to the goal.

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This is the play I referenced in the Post game thread. Tony is simply not defending here. He might as well be public skating. First, his stick is too far away from the player. 2 He never closes the gap between him and the attacker. 3. He needs to angle the player away from the net and once he gets to the top of the circle, Tony needs to do something( either force a shot or force a pass. He chose to just keep skating backwards.

Nothing I'm saying is even advanced coaching. It's all stuff you learn in Peewees. He knows these things too and I'm certain he's being reminded of them by the coaching staff. The question is does his mind work fast enough to execute at this level? I'm not sure.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
They are taught to keep them to the outside, yea he got beat to the outside but that is a low danger area. The only reason why it turned dangerous is because it was basically a 2 on 1 because Staal lost his man. If Staal had his man tied up absolutely nothing happens on that play. And I'm a big Staal fan still despite him getting a bit slower so i don't normally like to jump on him since 90% of the board already does.
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The goal should be to force a dump-in or breakup the play before it even gets to that point. Sure Ehlers is highly skilled and skates incredibly well, but that's even more of an imperative to close the gap quickly.
 
I think you're missing the point that he should have made a relatively easy close out of Ehlers on the boards before crossing the blue....and even then he still allowed the pass through the slot.
 
Filthy Dangles said:
I think you're missing the point that he should have made a relatively easy close out of Ehlers on the boards before crossing the blue....and even then he still allowed the pass through the slot.
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There is nothing easy about that play against a highly skilled forward who already had speed coming out of the defensive zone.

He would have danced around him if he was that aggressive and left the rangers defending an odd man rush.
 
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