Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part IV

[UnSandvich]

"DeAngelo is getting beat out by an unproven player and isn't worth more than 900k.... but he's totally worth a 30 goal scorer on a sweetheart contract."

Does not compute.

A. I said DeAngelo +. Ideally, the plus is someone like Howden and maybe a non-1st round pick.
B. Really, the target is Kase moreso than Rakell, as there've been rumors circulating that they were looking into moving him for Faulk.
C. DeAngelo put up 30 points in 61 games despite playing with Marc Staal more than any other partner
D. DeAngelo's Zone Exit & Entry stats are absurdly good
E. He's not getting beat out by an unproven player, he's not playing period
F. He IS worth more than 900k, the team just doesn't have the extra money to pay him

 

[EdJovanovski]

Your evaluation of Trouba is awful. Almost as bad as you comparing Fox to Pionk.

It’s a fact that he just kept taking poorly thought out slapshots when there was passing lanes available lol, he isn’t a very cerebral player

 

[FIRE DRURY]

It’s a fact that he just kept taking poorly thought out slapshots when there was passing lanes available lol, he isn’t a very cerebral player

He made plenty of good passes on the point. He wasn’t just shooting slappers.

I like have a dman who isn’t afraid to let it rip from the blueline. We haven’t had an effective shot from the point in a very long time.

 

[Raspewtin]

He’ll be a whipping boy before long.

I was ecstatic with the trade, but this fan base won’t do well watching a #3 defenseman being used/getting paid as a #1.

The ingredients for minds being lost are all there with this one.

I agree with this.

I think Trouba is terrific and a top pairing D but I also think he's been very romanticized on these boards to the point where it seems like he has no weaknesses, which is not true at all.

 

[Thirty One]

hfboards: tony had one good 3/5ths of a season, he needs to stop acting like he's earned anything !

hfboards: fox's excellent camp and one preseason game are sure signs that he has earned a spot and TDA is expendable.

Yep, it's normally pretty easy to find conflicting opinions among different posters on HFBoards. The world we live in!

 

[offdacrossbar]

hfboards: tony had one good 3/5ths of a season, he needs to stop acting like he's earned anything !

hfboards: fox's excellent camp and one preseason game are sure signs that he has earned a spot and TDA is expendable.

raw truth is always funny

 

[Raspewtin]

Yep, it's normally pretty easy to find conflicting opinions among different posters on HFBoards. The world we live in!

epic response Ben

 

[Leetch3]

Yep, it's normally pretty easy to find conflicting opinions among different posters on HFBoards. The world we live in!

Except in this case it’s the same people saying both

 

[Thirty One]

Except in this case it’s the same people saying both

Well then those people should be called out, not the fine people at mandatory dot com and this upstanding community as a whole.

 

[pld459666]

It’s a fact that he just kept taking poorly thought out slapshots when there was passing lanes available lol, he isn’t a very cerebral player

I have 0 problems with point man taking shots.

From what I watched he was shooting g off the pass meaning g that guys were still moving g into position

I absolutely hate teams that over pass.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Right handed d-men taking one timers from the left side or taking slippers from the same spot is bad and stupid? Quick, somebody tell Alex Ovechkin that.

 

[nyr2k2]

Except in this case it’s the same people saying both

I don't think it's that big of a deal, though. I mean, saying, "Tony's career-to-date doesn't warrant him holding out for a higher offer than what we presume is on the table" and "It looks like the stud RHD prospect that fans and pundits alike rave about might be able to step into Tony's #2 spot, making him potentially expendable" both seem not-totally-unreasonable to me. I personally think Tony should be getting a bit more, and I'm not ready to say Fox is ready to handle second pair duties, but the ideas aren't crazy. And to argue both isn't some sort of contradiction or inconsistency.

Of course the poster who made the original post turned both arguments into absurdities, so, yeah, looks silly then.

 

[offdacrossbar]

ADA, based upon similar comps, would be in line for a bridge of @ 3.5 min. or a 1 yr deal of say 1.5

thats the reality

offering him 925 on a 1 yr is an insult and essentially a low ball offer to a kid who would be least likely to accept it. his team is offended and rightfully so. yes, he has zero leverage but the offer is a joke.

he was our best defender for 1/3 of the season when he got real minutes.

led the team in many/all defensive scoring categories and his metrics were off the charts good

oh and as far as his bad D goes, he led the D in +/- and was a 5v5 stand out

i will agree that there isnt any money right now, so the offer is all they can afford but the signing of the big time Fa's, buying out shatty, keeping all forwards esp. strome, names and fast plus the two albatross deals for staal and smith may result in ADA being gone.

that would be a fail for JG and JD. were that to happen, im sure well hear how ready fox is, how he was toxic and not long for the team anyway- damage control at its best.

he will do well where ever he ends up. too much talent to throw away yet it seems were doing just that.

 

[Hire Sather]

How will he end up gone? He can't force a trade.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

ADA, based upon similar comps, would be in line for a bridge of @ 3.5 min. or a 1 yr deal of say 1.5

thats the reality

offering him 925 on a 1 yr is an insult and essentially a low ball offer to a kid who would be least likely to accept it. his team is offended and rightfully so. yes, he has zero leverage but the offer is a joke.

he was our best defender for 1/3 of the season when he got real minutes.

led the team in many/all defensive scoring categories and his metrics were off the charts good

oh and as far as his bad D goes, he led the D in +/- and was a 5v5 stand out

i will agree that there isnt any money right now, so the offer is all they can afford but the signing of the big time Fa's, buying out shatty, keeping all forwards esp. strome, names and fast plus the two albatross deals for staal and smith may result in ADA being gone.

that would be a fail for JG and JD. were that to happen, im sure well hear how ready fox is, how he was toxic and not long for the team anyway- damage control at its best.

he will do well where ever he ends up. too much talent to throw away yet it seems were doing just that.

I don't understand why you insist that he has to be paid based on 1/3 of a season? What period of time did those "similar comps" put up those numbers? What did these "similar comps" do prior to that period? I'm willing to bet they weren't at odds with their coach and being benched for good portions of a season.

He did nothing before that to justify this "must pay" scenario you're advocating. He's being offered what they feel they can afford....EVERYONE saw what was coming when they signed Panarin and gave Trouba his contract. How did ADA and/or his camp not see it as well?

And how do you come to the conclusion that they just kept strome, names, fast, staal and smith? From what I recall, word was Rangers tried to makes deals for the first two (if not Fast as well).

If he goes elsewhere and does well, good for him....so far he's hit three organizations and has not done well. Certainly justifies not "getting paid".

 

[cwede]

How will he end up gone? He can't force a trade.

well Fox answered more 'readiness' questions last night

if Anaheim is really interested, i could live with a package similar to Hakanpaa, Groulx and maybe a pick

Hakanpaa can play some 3rd pair RD, an inexpensive big/physical (94 PIM seems like a lot for Liiga ...) older RHD, be a Finnish buddy to Kakko, and maybe sent away for a pick at TDL
the minutes he might've gotten w Ducks would be going to Tony D anyway

Jani Hakanpaa Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
Jani Hakanpää at eliteprospects.com

Benoit-Olivier Groulx at eliteprospects.com
Benoit-Olivier Groulx Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

well Fox answered more 'readiness' questions last night

if Anaheim is really interested, i could live with a package similar to Hakanpaa, Groulx and maybe a pick

Hakanpaa can play some 3rd pair RD, an inexpensive big/physical (94 PIM seems like a lot for Liiga ...) older RHD, be a Finnish buddy to Kakko, and maybe sent away for a pick at TDL
the minutes he might've gotten w Ducks would be going to Tony D anyway

Jani Hakanpaa Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
Jani Hakanpää at eliteprospects.com

Benoit-Olivier Groulx at eliteprospects.com
Benoit-Olivier Groulx Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

I’ve watched over 100 of his games and can tell you straight away he won’t be worth more than couple lottery tickets at tdl

 

[RangerBoy]

They can't afford to give DeAngelo much more than the one-year, $925,000 deal they gave Brendan Lemieux. DeAngelo isn't happy with that, but I don't think the Rangers are inclined to move off it. The salary cap situation is tight, and they made it clear during the offseason that they're not going to trade a useful player like Vlad Namestnikov or Ryan Strome just to dump salary. (Especially not if they're being asked to eat some of the money just to make the trade.)

So, the stare down continues. There's a good chance DeAngelo is waiting until the last possible day to see if he can squeeze a little more out of the Rangers, and he'll inevitably take whatever the best offer is at the end of camp. He doesn't have many other options, unless his agent Pat Brisson believes he can force a trade. But the Rangers certainly don't have to acquiesce to that.

New York Rangers: Takeaways and analysis after one week of training camp

Penny wise pound foolish.

Training camp is important. He is hurting himself longterm by missing training camp.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

ADA, based upon similar comps, would be in line for a bridge of @ 3.5 min. or a 1 yr deal of say 1.5

thats the reality

offering him 925 on a 1 yr is an insult and essentially a low ball offer to a kid who would be least likely to accept it. his team is offended and rightfully so. yes, he has zero leverage but the offer is a joke.

he was our best defender for 1/3 of the season when he got real minutes.

led the team in many/all defensive scoring categories and his metrics were off the charts good

oh and as far as his bad D goes, he led the D in +/- and was a 5v5 stand out

i will agree that there isnt any money right now, so the offer is all they can afford but the signing of the big time Fa's, buying out shatty, keeping all forwards esp. strome, names and fast plus the two albatross deals for staal and smith may result in ADA being gone.

that would be a fail for JG and JD. were that to happen, im sure well hear how ready fox is, how he was toxic and not long for the team anyway- damage control at its best.

he will do well where ever he ends up. too much talent to throw away yet it seems were doing just that.

Whatever it is, DeAngelo just rubs people the wrong way. And when you burn one too many bridges, management is going to start looking past solely one's talent. The Rangers are making it abundantly clear that DeAngelo still has a ton to prove when it comes to both his on-ice performance and his performance as a teammate. It wouldn't surprise me if DeAngelo shares the rampant victimhood mentality in your post. It's just a weird mindset to have when he literally has no choice but to play his ass of on a 1 year deal and prove the naysayers wrong. Him being stubborn about that only hurts him.

 

[romba]

lmao too many one time bombs from the point??? is Zucc still here manning the point on the PP? If there's a passing lane available, why would anyone in their right mind bomb it from the point off the pass with traffic in front??? Terrible idea. We need to be more predictable and keep the opposition clogging those lanes! No extraneous shots! KEEP PASSING THE PUCK AND MAYBE WE CAN TAP IT IN ONE OF THESE DECADES

Love,
AV

 

[haohmaru]

Danny G keepin' his phone on the night stand.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Danny G keepin' his phone on the night stand.

His kids better not be on AOL or he might miss an important call.

 

[Larrybiv]

I don't think it's that big of a deal, though. I mean, saying, "Tony's career-to-date doesn't warrant him holding out for a higher offer than what we presume is on the table" and "It looks like the stud RHD prospect that fans and pundits alike rave about might be able to step into Tony's #2 spot, making him potentially expendable" both seem not-totally-unreasonable to me. I personally think Tony should be getting a bit more, and I'm not ready to say Fox is ready to handle second pair duties, but the ideas aren't crazy. And to argue both isn't some sort of contradiction or inconsistency.

Of course the poster who made the original post turned both arguments into absurdities, so, yeah, looks silly then.

I agree, and yes it is ridiculous. Passing off 2 p.o.v's and redirecting it into what u want. But, that happens all the time, right?
Anyway......couldnt quote from previous Tony thread, but was stated how obviously Tony feels in regard to Pionk getting what he is getting and Tony isnt offered anywhere close. Makes sense. Thing is, Pionk hasnt had ANY previous issues in his short past, and tbh, Tony's shot really sucks wind. Like he is shooting in a puddle.
All this crap about him being a Philly fan really doesnt amount to much, but again kind of makes him look lime a "rebel" and mgmt. wants players that fans will like and be quiet for the most part. Just doesnt really bode well. He has a right to be a fan of whom he wants.

He obviously asked for Pionk money, and we simply arent going to pay even close.....nor do we "have to". I am a Tony fan, but really? Who does he think he is?
Bottom line is ypu wanna play for the Rangers? Then suck it up for a year, really prove your worth. Already been said 1,000x.

 

[free0717]

Tony does deserve a Lot more than 925K but sitting out is not doing him good. He should just sign and have a big year. Next year arbitration will give him leverage. The sooner he signs the less he will miss out. Fox may be the 2nd TH defenseman

 

[LORDE]

New York Rangers: Takeaways and analysis after one week of training camp

Penny wise pound foolish.

Training camp is important. He is hurting himself longterm by missing training camp.

Every year there are a few holdouts (or players who miss camp due to injury etc) on teams and every year we hear how they’re trying to catch up in order to get into game shape... reflexes etc.

Is ADA that good that he can just wait until the end of camp and THEN cave over 10-20k?