Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo - Part II

[Mikos87]

Keep an eye out for those shifts that ADA has where he starts playing forward. In other words, when he pinches, but doesn't rotate back, and just stands there by the net when the puck isn't in play.

For those of you who played EASHL, and had a guy who picked defense, but keeps doing that up-front... ADA does that in the NHL. I don't see that from any other defenseman in the game, and I know coaches can't stand that. That's really something that they coach out of in bantam.

As far as on-ice stuff goes, the above is the most annoying thing he does that's repeated often. Add in the bad penalties, and the occasional misreads... then you have a reason why the benchings are frequent, despite the impact he can have.

I for one, think that how the Rangers handled Avery, is how they should handle ADA. There may be some sort of attention, or focus related shortcoming that they can correct. Because some of those gaffs, repeated gaffs, are behaviorally conditioned, because that's what he's always done. If they can't give him the Avery treatment to help him focus. Then it might be time to cut the cord.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

DeAngelo isnt coachable at this point, the coach has asked him to play a certain way and he isnt doing it. The guy has got to sit down, listen to the people trying to help and execute. I like his skill set, but he obviously doesnt want to do the things the coach is asking. Hopefully he figures it out but I'm doubtful, he can have all the talent in the world but if he cant be trusted by the coaches he is useless to us.

I don't think it's for lack of effort, he just can't do it. If his positioning was a fingernail better than last march, his decision-making hasn't improved.

Honestly, I think he'll be a Kampfer-type on an offensive team. Otherwise, he's not NHL material but we might get a mid 3rd for him.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I don't think it's for lack of effort, he just can't do it. If his positioning was a fingernail better than last march, his decision-making hasn't improved.

Honestly, I think he'll be a Kampfer-type on an offensive team. Otherwise, he's not NHL material but we might get a mid 3rd for him.

How you came to this conclusion is absolutely crazy. Kampfer wasn't a NHL defenseman, ADA comes in and out of the lineup and more often than not is the best defenseman that game for the Rangers.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Kampfer has been a tweener his whole career because he can do the bare minimum for a puck possession team. A bare bones team like NYR-now can't succeed with that, and to be the best defender on the 2019 Rangers says nothing. You could argue that Claesson has been the best.

 

[Edge]

I have not heard a single thing from anyone at the NHL level, out west or here in the east, that supports an off-ice concern of any matter.

Not. A. Peep.

 

[Irishguy42]

Another great game from him tonight.

 

[bobbop]

ADA reminds me a little of another former Ranger/Coyote Enver Lisin. Flashes of brilliance and a generous amount of brain dead moments. You’re left wanting more. So much more. I hope it works but I’ve already seen this movie.

 

[egelband]

He really just needs to keep it simple. Like Skjei. And like Smith, too. Smith seems to just not be able to do it. But I think Skjei will and I have no reason to believe He won’t be able to do it. I mean, I’m not saying I have any opinion either way. Just that it’s still tbd. A guy like Smith probably is - about - what he is. There’s still plenty of time for Skjei and AdA. All three have shown the required ability. It’s just a matter of the consistency. Which I’d say is mental and can be developed.

 

[offdacrossbar]

ADA is so much better than some of the other clowns on this defense.

A guy like pionk can have the metrics of a houseplant and somehow he’s rewarded with tons of prime ice time and the longest leash in history.

ADA continues to be a play driver and defensively responsible certainly compared to the likes of 44. 42 and 22

 

[offdacrossbar]

ADA reminds me a little of another former Ranger/Coyote Enver Lisin. Flashes of brilliance and a generous amount of brain dead moments. You’re left wanting more. So much more. I hope it works but I’ve already seen this movie.

Ringo was a terrific skater and well liked in the room. He fast fast and elusive and had moments where he showed flashes of skill.

He was however completely clueless on where to go and what to do when he got there.

Torts the clown ran him outa town

 

[Inferno]

I have not heard a single thing from anyone at the NHL level, out west or here in the east, that supports an off-ice concern of any matter.

Not. A. Peep.

That's actually shocking...because in my personal opinion his on ice okay has warranted far more ice time than he's gotten.

 

[Edge]

That's actually shocking...because in my personal opinion his on ice okay has warranted far more ice time than he's gotten.

If I were to guess, I'd say it's more likely a trust factor. Either they just don't trust him completely on the ice, or they feel he is simply not listening to or applying the instructions they are giving him.

 

[SA16]

It's already working for DeAngelo. Every game he plays he's one of the best dmen on the ice.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

It's already working for DeAngelo. Every game he plays he's one of the best dmen on the ice.

It's a really low bar.

 

[Blue Blooded]

It's a really low bar.

It really is, but clearing that bar apparently doesn't stop him from sitting for half of the games this season which is both annoying and worrisome. No matter how poor your defensive corps are, it never makes sense to regularly scratch your best defenceman - even though he might take a stupid penalty at regular intervals.

 

[True Blue]

If I were to guess, I'd say it's more likely a trust factor. Either they just don't trust him completely on the ice, or they feel he is simply not listening to or applying the instructions they are giving him.

I would wager it's the latter. Someone also brought up that when he pinches in, he forgets that he is actually a defenseman and needs to return to defend. That is another item that could be occurring. And that may be the trust that you are talking about.

 

[McRanger]

I have not heard a single thing from anyone at the NHL level, out west or here in the east, that supports an off-ice concern of any matter.

Not. A. Peep.

Its possible he is less your typical NHL off-ice problem child (think the guy sleeping with his teammates wives or Fleury and Stevens drinking Baileys out of a hobos boot) and more just a guy that rubs people the wrong way.

 

[Edge]

Its possible he is less your typical NHL off-ice problem child (think the guy sleeping with his teammates wives or Fleury and Stevens drinking Baileys out of a hobos boot) and more just a guy that rubs people the wrong way.

I dunno, I haven’t heard that either.

There more than a few guys who fall into the cateogory, and there’s a pretty good awareness of who they are.

I haven’t gotten that vibe either.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Its possible he is less your typical NHL off-ice problem child (think the guy sleeping with his teammates wives or Fleury and Stevens drinking Baileys out of a hobos boot) and more just a guy that rubs people the wrong way.

Havent heard any of that.

At this point the thread is turning into libel with people trying to hurt his character with nothing to back it up.

 

[McRanger]

Havent heard any of that.

At this point the thread is turning into libel with people trying to hurt his character with nothing to back it up.

Saying a player might rub his coach the wrong way is libelous?

Ok.

 

[Thirty One]

One thing I noticed yesterday, when a defenseman is in the box, Shattenkirk is getting the PK minutes over DeAngelo. Earlier in the year when they were both in the lineup, DeAngelo would get those minutes over him. The PK policy used to be anyone but Shattenkirk, now it's anyone but DeAngelo.

 

[Rempe73]

In my opinion, it’s the dumb penalties he takes at the wrong time. That is probably a big reason why the coach doesn’t seem to trust him.

But it depends on the game. In games where he’s “feeling it,” the coach trusts him and gives him a lot of ice time. In games where he takes that stupid penalty, I’ve seen the coach put him right back on the ice AND I’ve seen the coach bench him for quite some time. Maybe it depends on the score or the type of penalty.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Saying a player might rub his coach the wrong way is libelous?

Ok.

Nope, but that’s not what your post said.

 

[Thirty One]

Nope, but that’s not what your post said.

I think you might want to re-read his post.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I think you might want to re-read his post.

Just did, still doesn't say that. Thanks for you're useless help as usual funny guy.