Value of: Tony DeAngelo- anyone want to take a chance?

[cptjeff]

Just curious if anyone would be interested in TDA. He has not played well with Orlov and has struggled overall this season, even if he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he was in Philly. Still skates well, has a great shot, and makes a really great PP quarterback. He passes really quickly and accurately and does make our PP look better than any other defenseman we have. But the defensive side has not been good, especially paired with another offensive type like Orlov. Paired with a defensively capable guy like Skjei he's looked fine in limited minutes, but Rod doesn't want to break up his top 4, so TDA is the odd man out now that the Orlov-Chatfield pairing has solidified itself.

The Canes would want to have a 7th D on the roster as insurance, but would probably prefer that guy to be a lot more defensively focused than TDA- so would anybody bite on swapping an AHL-NHL tweener who's more defensively oriented, maybe an older prospect that could step in at the NHL level and play a defensively solid 12 minutes a game with no expected upside beyond that? With the right partner TDA can shine, but he needs the right role, and that's not happening in Carolina.

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[JoeSakic13]

DeAngelo has making teams ask “is the talent worth the headache?” for years now. I think his career reached the point where it is not.

 

[SML2]

At a low enough price tag, he can make a GM look really good. If someone has their PP1 guy go down with an injury close to the deadline, the phone will ring about him. He can't be the veteran on your team, he'll take the lemmings right off the cliff. If he joined a veteran team and had a well defined role he would do ok.

 

[SenzZen]

Just curious if anyone would be interested in TDA. He has not played well with Orlov and has struggled overall this season, even if he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he was in Philly. Still skates well, has a great shot, and makes a really great PP quarterback. He passes really quickly and accurately and does make our PP look better than any other defenseman we have. But the defensive side has not been good, especially paired with another offensive type like Orlov. Paired with a defensively capable guy like Skjei he's looked fine in limited minutes, but Rod doesn't want to break up his top 4, so TDA is the odd man out now that the Orlov-Chatfield pairing has solidified itself.

The Canes would want to have a 7th D on the roster as insurance, but would probably prefer that guy to be a lot more defensively focused than TDA- so would anybody bite on swapping an AHL-NHL tweener who's more defensively oriented, maybe an older prospect that could step in at the NHL level and play a defensively solid 12 minutes a game with no expected upside beyond that? With the right partner TDA can shine, but he needs the right role, and that's not happening in Carolina.

Obviously the Canes would want a D in return.

 

[EK392000]

A good place to start IMO would be finding a team with (1) a defensively solid d-man to partner him with and (2) a need for offence. What teams fit that criteria?

 

[bleedgreen]

DeAngelo has making teams ask “is the talent worth the headache?” for years now. I think his career reached the point where it is not.

Fair I suppose, but he hasn’t been a headache in any way for anyone (if you’re referring to off ice issues or anything to do with his teammates) since the Canes took the chance on him a few years ago. If you just mean defensive zone coverage…..sure?

He was great his first time with the Canes, and it honestly wasn’t Slavin carrying him - though I’m sure just being on the ice with Slavin makes your metrics pop.

Tony is a great pp player. The Canes want to find a way to get him back on the ice. The pairing with Orlov is a failure, which is at least partially on Orlov. Giving the Chatfield/Orlov pair time to gel and settle everything down is about the third pair being a mess in general and it was hurting the team to the point that the pp became a secondary issue.

They were talking during the broadcast last night that RBA wants Tony in for the pp, it just wasn’t the right thing to do right now. If you’ve got a good partner for him 5v5 or can bury him on the wing he’s a pretty big asset to the pp.

There hasn’t been a single issue with Tony since the Rangers thing.

Obviously the Canes would want a D in return.

lol that’s honestly what I think they would do. We’d probably want a stay home third pair guy that could rotate in and out of the lineup as needed for when injuries hit.

 

[TFHockey]

Maybe the Jets? I think one of the missing pieces for Winnipeg is a top flight power play. DeAngelo would certainly help with that. I think the asking price would be cheap.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I honestly think the Canes should be using him as a rover type player and see if he wants to move around between D and filling in on forward lines. Canes aren't ancient but they do have some older players and some injury prone players so rotating guys in and out and giving them time off might not be a bad idea.

If anyone can teach him how to do the rover thing it would be Brent Burns.

 

[Hollel]

I know this is slightly off topic from DeAngelos value, but would the Canes have just been better off with paying Dougie and building around that constraint vs with the headache of whatever has been DeAngelo, paying Orlov 2x7.75, squeezing what's left of Burns etc etc. Like I get that there have been some good moves here(I guess Burns has been pretty decent?), and they have certainly kept themselves more flexible over the long term, but from a distance it just seems more cheap than smart business and has helped insure that short term SC aspirations weren't taken too seriously(not forgetting about losing Svechnikov last season though).

And no I'm not saying Dougie is make or break a cup, but just seems miles more dynamic than DeAngelo (who is literally falling out of the league rn) and gives them a super competent PP point man which they are scrambling to find, in a year that seems as good as any to be all in. With some seasons of reflection.... just seems like a whiff.

 

[spockBokk]

I know this is slightly off topic from DeAngelos value, but would the Canes have just been better off with paying Dougie and building around that constraint vs with the headache of whatever has been DeAngelo, paying Orlov 2x7.75, squeezing what's left of Burns etc etc. Like I get that there have been some good moves here(I guess Burns has been pretty decent?), and they have certainly kept themselves more flexible over the long term, but from a distance it just seems more cheap than smart business and has helped insure that short term SC aspirations weren't taken too seriously(not forgetting about losing Svechnikov last season though).

And no I'm not saying Dougie is make or break a cup, but just seems miles more dynamic than DeAngelo (who is literally falling out of the league rn) and gives them a super competent PP point man which they are scrambling to find, in a year that seems as good as any to be all in. With some seasons of reflection.... just seems like a whiff.

Orlov is off the books after 24-25.

DeAngelo is off the books after this season.

They added Burns for a fraction of his $8M cap hit and gave up virtually nothing for him. Burns is off the books after 24-25.

They have Nikishin and Morrow likely coming in or already on ELCs for the 24-25 season.

They didn’t want to pay Hamilton $9M til he’s washed in his late 30s.

Burns had a better season last year than Hamilton ever did in CAR. I think they made the right call for their cap and competive window

On DeAngelo in particular, I hope they just hold onto him. He knows the Canes’ system and he has proven he can fit in well with Slavin. He’s good insurance in case Burns goes down. Also his cap hit isn’t prohibiting them from making any other moves. They have over $2M in space with him as the 7D.

 

[HuGort]

Just curious if anyone would be interested in TDA. He has not played well with Orlov and has struggled overall this season, even if he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he was in Philly. Still skates well, has a great shot, and makes a really great PP quarterback. He passes really quickly and accurately and does make our PP look better than any other defenseman we have. But the defensive side has not been good, especially paired with another offensive type like Orlov. Paired with a defensively capable guy like Skjei he's looked fine in limited minutes, but Rod doesn't want to break up his top 4, so TDA is the odd man out now that the Orlov-Chatfield pairing has solidified itself.

The Canes would want to have a 7th D on the roster as insurance, but would probably prefer that guy to be a lot more defensively focused than TDA- so would anybody bite on swapping an AHL-NHL tweener who's more defensively oriented, maybe an older prospect that could step in at the NHL level and play a defensively solid 12 minutes a game with no expected upside beyond that? With the right partner TDA can shine, but he needs the right role, and that's not happening in Carolina.

Good defenseman but cancer in team. Not for Montreal

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Someone remind me again, what was the amount of time between Tortorella sticking up for D'Angelo in the press and making him a healthy scratch?

 

[Qwijibo]

Good defenseman but cancer in team. Not for Montreal

Fixed that for you

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Fixed that for you

Good point producing defenseman. I think that's fair.

 

[eco's bones]

Pretty sure the Rangers aren't interested as in been there and done that. For me it wasn't just the locker room shit but he was always a defensive liability. No question he has offensive skill and can run a power play but keeping a player around just for that well I guess it depends how much you need a power play QB. The Sharks could probably use one but most teams already have someone like that.

 

[biturbo19]

And Canes fans scoffed dismissively at me, back when they signed him again and i suggested that he'd be completely useless this time around. The role he was moderately successful in last time around, was completely filled with Burns who is a better version of that in every single way. Without Slavin there to carry his ass, and with competition for that cushy top PP time...DeAngelo is really just a useless "3rd pair powerplay specialist without a home". It's not what you want on a bottom-pairing that just needs to be reliable and eat their minutes.



The list of teams that can actually use a player like TDA is ever dwindling. Nobody has the room for a liability powerplay specialist defenceman anymore. You have to be an otherworldly powerplay quarterback to even start to justify that sacrifice of a roster spot. He's good, but not that good.


Maybe there's a spot somewhere for him on a bad team. But DeAngelo on a bad team is also a terrible idea. Most bad teams have a lot of young players they probably don't want him around. Especially since a bad team situation is probably where a lot of his other issues are more likely to come out to play.

He's just a niche player, in a niche that no longer really exists in the NHL.

 

[Michoulicious]

Just curious if anyone would be interested in TDA. He has not played well with Orlov and has struggled overall this season, even if he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he was in Philly. Still skates well, has a great shot, and makes a really great PP quarterback. He passes really quickly and accurately and does make our PP look better than any other defenseman we have. But the defensive side has not been good, especially paired with another offensive type like Orlov. Paired with a defensively capable guy like Skjei he's looked fine in limited minutes, but Rod doesn't want to break up his top 4, so TDA is the odd man out now that the Orlov-Chatfield pairing has solidified itself.

The Canes would want to have a 7th D on the roster as insurance, but would probably prefer that guy to be a lot more defensively focused than TDA- so would anybody bite on swapping an AHL-NHL tweener who's more defensively oriented, maybe an older prospect that could step in at the NHL level and play a defensively solid 12 minutes a game with no expected upside beyond that? With the right partner TDA can shine, but he needs the right role, and that's not happening in Carolina.

The guy is frickin idiot. You are stuck with him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

DeAngelo for Perry.

 

[Bond]

Can take him as salary in a Lindholm trade lol

 

[Limeyjim]

I just grateful that the Flyers won't bring him back. He might be a serviceable player on the ice, but he's an awful person off the ice. Not good for building culture on a team.

 

[Guttersniped]

Orlov is off the books after 24-25.

DeAngelo is off the books after this season.

They added Burns for a fraction of his $8M cap hit and gave up virtually nothing for him. Burns is off the books after 24-25.

They have Nikishin and Morrow likely coming in or already on ELCs for the 24-25 season.

They didn’t want to pay Hamilton $9M til he’s washed in his late 30s.

Burns had a better season last year than Hamilton ever did in CAR. I think they made the right call for their cap and competive window

On DeAngelo in particular, I hope they just hold onto him. He knows the Canes’ system and he has proven he can fit in well with Slavin. He’s good insurance in case Burns goes down. Also his cap hit isn’t prohibiting them from making any other moves. They have over $2M in space with him as the 7D.

Not saying they should have re-signed Hamilton, but his current contract ends 14 days after his 35th birthday, so it doesn’t go into “his late 30s”. Carolina probably could have gotten him to sign for less than 9m as well.

But yes, Burns at 5.28m seems to have work out well so far.

It’s going to be pretty interesting to see what Carolina does with all their UFA defensemen.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Not saying they should have re-signed Hamilton, but his current contract ends 14 days after his 35th birthday, so it doesn’t go into “his late 30s”. Carolina probably could have gotten him to sign for less than 9m as well.

But yes, Burns at 5.28m seems to have work out well so far.

It’s going to be pretty interesting to see what Carolina does with all their UFA defensemen.

We will go and get more defensemen. It’s what we do

 

[NotASheep]

besides playing like shit has he done anything off the ice that is questionable? OR are we just going off previous things

 

[ManofSteel55]

Smells like the type of deal Arizona would have been all over a couple of years ago. Taking the dump for a mid round pick to see if they can play his value back up, like they did with Gostibere.

 

[mattihp]

besides playing like shit has he done anything off the ice that is questionable? OR are we just going off previous things

He scored well enough in Philadelphia, even if he gave zero defense. I think they at least felt something. Carolina can handle him. Let's have him round out his career there.