I think the reason Nyquist is higher on the depth chart than Tatar is the same reason Filppula was always higher on the depth chart than Hudler.
Little bigger, better skater, better defensively.
Really? Nyquist always looks smaller on the ice to me.
ironically, i believe part of the big reasons wings brought in weiss was that he's historically been pretty good pp player and better than flip.
but yeah, puck carrying ability is one thing that wings very much miss in flip. weiss couldn't do that at all. among other things, lol.
Flip never got much PP time and when he did it was usually on the 2nd unit manned by a forward on the point who wasn't very good at it.
He currently has more PP points than any Wing (or Lightning for that matter), so he was certainly capable of more but just never got the opportunity here.
Babcock thought he was going to be a 70pt player, so I don't know what you mean.
Hudler isn't even a star, let alone a super star.
Flip never got much PP time and when he did it was usually on the 2nd unit manned by a forward on the point who wasn't very good at it.
He currently has more PP points than any Wing (or Lightning for that matter), so he was certainly capable of more but just never got the opportunity here.
Yeah, because we had Datsyuk and Zetterberg playing at his position. We have to get rid of Datsyuk and Zetterberg to give him the same possibility he has now at Tampa.
Yeah, because we had Datsyuk and Zetterberg playing at his position. We have to get rid of Datsyuk and Zetterberg to give him the same possibility he has now at Tampa. Stamkos is the right-hander on the other side. St. Louis plays the point. Someone else is the screener, defenceman plays the another point. Nobody isn't a real threat for him there to be that left-handed right-side PP playmaker. He fits there perfectly, and that's totally different than Red Wings situation as long as Dats and Zetts are here.
marty st. louis has played that position mostly.
flip didn't spend much time with #1 pp unit when everyone was healthy. some, but it was mostly on 2nd unit. purcell had been that 3rd forward there. or 4th if one counts the screen man.
Even when Pav and/or Z were injured, Fil never got opportunities on the 1st PP unit.
Really? Nyquist always looks smaller on the ice to me.
Tatar plays like he is bigger , especially near boards
Tatar and Nyquist are both under 6' feet tall. Thats all that really matters.
This is like arguing between WHICH one of the 2 has softer hair… who cares.
Size is not a deciding factor between these 2 players.
Defensive responsibility is almost directly responsible for Babcock's playing time. Offensive production goes right out the window.
(This can also be applied to our superstars as well).
Defense is everything to Babcock. He could care less about offence.
That is why Nyquist more time than Tatar
That is why Cleary gets significant ice time
That is why Filppula had more ice time than Hudler.
Players he can trust not to LOSE the game. (Agree or Disagree with this philosophy, but its pretty easy to see that is what Babcock does)
Cleary has clearly been a defensive liability this year to anyone watching.
Cleary turns the puck over in both zones more than anyone on the team.
I think this is pretty much ******** bashing opinion.
5 giveaways at this season, that is least in the team with Miller.
Tatar and Nyquist are both under 6' feet tall. Thats all that really matters.
This is like arguing between WHICH one of the 2 has softer hair… who cares.
Size is not a deciding factor between these 2 players.
Defensive responsibility is almost directly responsible for Babcock's playing time. Offensive production goes right out the window.
(This can also be applied to our superstars as well).
Defense is everything to Babcock. He could care less about offence.
That is why Nyquist more time than Tatar
That is why Cleary gets significant ice time
That is why Filppula had more ice time than Hudler.
Players he can trust not to LOSE the game. (Agree or Disagree with this philosophy, but its pretty easy to see that is what Babcock does)
I think this is pretty much ******** bashing opinion.
5 giveaways at this season, that is least in the team with Miller.
I don't think Nyquist is that good defensively right now. One thing that separates the two is that Nyquist will put every ounce of his energy into forechecking and playing without the puck. If Tatar doesn't have the puck, he tends moreso to conserve his energy. Of course, I also suspect that's part of why Tatar is so much more productive than Nyquist right now. Nyquist is wearing himself out early in the game, and is absolutely dead on back-to-back nights.
The fact Wings fans would argue on Tatar being soft shows that Wings fans don't even know anymore what a tough hockey player is.
Yeah those giveaway stats are complete garbage. I've seen games where I count personally Kindl with 2 or more where he ends up with 0. How does it even pass the sniff test that Cleary only has 5 giveaways. Really? You honestly believe that? Unless you're keeping a personal tally of giveaways, I wouldn't trust the trash that they pass off as "stats" taken by X or Y arena. And if your personal tally of Cleary's giveaways for the entire season is at a mere 5.... well...Hey may not turn it over as much in the defensive zone. But 5?
You're literally the only one here saying he's soft. That's not "Wings fans arguing", that's one guy with a crazy opinion.
What is soft? He's not afraid of throwing hits, getting hit, or going into the corners. He takes the puck to the net, hard. He grinds it out on the cycle. I just don't see how anyone could call him soft with a straight face. And I think the fact that you are completely alone in that assertion should probably tell you something.
Yeah those giveaway stats are complete garbage. I've seen games where I count personally Kindl with 2 or more where he ends up with 0. How does it even pass the sniff test that Cleary only has 5 giveaways. Really? You honestly believe that? Unless you're keeping a personal tally of giveaways, I wouldn't trust the trash that they pass off as "stats" taken by X or Y arena. And if your personal tally of Cleary's giveaways for the entire season is at a mere 5.... well...