Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

[SJSharksfan39]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but The Hockey Guy did a deep dive into the Sharks situation a couple of days ago and I think it really helps a casual fan like myself understand exactly what the situation is and why Grier did what he did. As someone whose initial reaction was "Fire Grier", a week later and after watching that Video, I realize how harsh and dumb that comment was. This video actually helped me accept the Hertl trade and what to look forward to into the future. Also, it may not be as long as I feared (I was fearing like 6 more years of being bad) until the Sharks are at least competitive again.

 

[Alaskanice]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but The Hockey Guy did a deep dive into the Sharks situation a couple of days ago and I think it really helps a casual fan like myself understand exactly what the situation is and why Grier did what he did. As someone whose initial reaction was "Fire Grier", a week later and after watching that Video, I realize how harsh and dumb that comment was. This video actually helped me accept the Hertl trade and what to look forward to into the future. Also, it may not be as long as I feared (I was fearing like 6 more years of being bad) until the Sharks are at least competitive again.

It’s refreshing to see a poster here admit they spoke too soon. I saw that video as well and you’re right, it’s quite informative. I think some should take the time to watch.

 

[Nighthock]

Helluva breakdown. Everyone here should take a peek at that video.

 

[sharski]

I watch like 20 THG videos a week he's the GOAT

 

[Jargon]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but The Hockey Guy did a deep dive into the Sharks situation a couple of days ago and I think it really helps a casual fan like myself understand exactly what the situation is and why Grier did what he did. As someone whose initial reaction was "Fire Grier", a week later and after watching that Video, I realize how harsh and dumb that comment was. This video actually helped me accept the Hertl trade and what to look forward to into the future. Also, it may not be as long as I feared (I was fearing like 6 more years of being bad) until the Sharks are at least competitive again.

Thanks for posting - totally agree with all of it. Grier has honestly done a really great job in a very hard situation.

 

[one2gamble]

people were only mad at the Hertl trade because it was vegas
people questioned the retention and adding two thirds to the deal with that retention

If that trade was to the Islanders most people would just shrug their shoulders.

 

[Hodge]

people were only mad at the Hertl trade because it was vegas
people questioned the retention and adding two thirds to the deal with that retention

If that trade was to the Islanders most people would just shrug their shoulders.

Except the Islanders don't have a single prospect on Edstrom's level.

 

[TheBeard]

people were only mad at the Hertl trade because it was vegas
people questioned the retention and adding two thirds to the deal with that retention

If that trade was to the Islanders most people would just shrug their shoulders.

That’s all it was for me. I’d have rather kept Hertl and enjoyed him rather than now have to deal with him potentially being a top player on Vegas. Obviously the deal was a coup for SJ but it was just so goddamn demoralizing to send him to the knights of all teams.

 

[Jargon]

That’s all it was for me. I’d have rather kept Hertl and enjoyed him rather than now have to deal with him potentially being a top player on Vegas. Obviously the deal was a coup for SJ but it was just so goddamn demoralizing to send him to the knights of all teams.

it would make it a bit more bearable if the Knights completely collapse next year and we get a top 10 draft pick.

 

[TheBeard]

it would make it a bit more bearable if the Knights completely collapse next year and we get a top 10 draft pick.

Sure, and it may happen. Probably not but it may. The difference is dealing with absolutes vs potential. Vegas is absolutely a better team with Hertl on their team currently and one of the favorites to win the cup in back to back years despite their current struggles. We’re excited about how things may look 6-7 years down the road. While valid, it’s also the ultimate coping method for the current nhl climate as it pertains to us.

 

[Jargon]

Sure, and it may happen. Probably not but it may. The difference is dealing with absolutes vs potential. Vegas is absolutely a better team with Hertl on their team currently and one of the favorites to win the cup in back to back years despite their current struggles. We’re excited about how things may look 6-7 years down the road. While valid, it’s also the ultimate coping method for the current nhl climate as it pertains to us.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

The Athletic does a prospect podcast show every Friday. Today they discussed the trade and think Edstrom is a 2nd or 3rd line centre. They even said 3rd line two way centre as a worst case.

I've said this exact sentence a few days ago but combined with the cap space and another 1st that's huge value. With how PIT is playing there's a chance we're drafting twice in the top-10 next year and VGK pick around 20-32.

 

[LadyStanley]

32 Thoughts: Is more NHL expansion on the horizon?

In his first post-trade deadline thoughts, Elliotte Friedman writes about some moves that didn't happen and what it could mean for the summer, and also ponders how different the NHL might look in a few years.

www.sportsnet.ca

San Jose agreeing to trade Tomas Hertl — and retain for six years — is an admission that it’s time to renovate right to the studs. Initially, this was not supposed to be a teardown. Ownership didn’t want it, and Mike Grier understood. But, now everyone sees it cannot be avoided. Once Vegas showed interest (and I do believe now the Sharks softly gauged the market), they came to the decision it was time to accept a new reality. It’s better for Hertl, it’s better for San Jose. My only concern for him: those knees. He avoided a major reconstruction, and I hope that continues.

 

[Hodge]

32 Thoughts: Is more NHL expansion on the horizon?

In his first post-trade deadline thoughts, Elliotte Friedman writes about some moves that didn't happen and what it could mean for the summer, and also ponders how different the NHL might look in a few years.

www.sportsnet.ca

So since the franchise now admits the Hertl signing along with their total unwillingness to rebuild for a half decade was a catastrophic error in judgment, will anyone actually face professional consequences? Why does Jonathan Becher still have a job after repeatedly telling media in 2021 that the Sharks would never rebuild? How is Joe Will still employed by this franchise after managing to f*** up everything he touched in his like three months as interim GM? Heads need to roll.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

So since the franchise now admits the Hertl signing along with their total unwillingness to rebuild for a half decade was a catastrophic error in judgment, will anyone actually face professional consequences? Why does Jonathan Becher still have a job after repeatedly telling media in 2021 that the Sharks would never rebuild? How is Joe Will still employed by this franchise after managing to f*** up everything he touched in his like three months as interim GM? Heads need to roll.

Becher is a mouthpiece for the franchise. He doesn't actually do anything in terms of hockey ops. I don't care for him so if he stays or goes, it makes little difference. Joe Will absolutely should get shitcanned since he played a reasonably large part in the direction of the team through these years.

 

[Jargon]

So since the franchise now admits the Hertl signing along with their total unwillingness to rebuild for a half decade was a catastrophic error in judgment, will anyone actually face professional consequences? Why does Jonathan Becher still have a job after repeatedly telling media in 2021 that the Sharks would never rebuild? How is Joe Will still employed by this franchise after managing to f*** up everything he touched in his like three months as interim GM? Heads need to roll.

I think it's a little hard to know who is behind what. Will may have been following orders from DW -- @Sheng Peng possibly even mentioned that in the last podcast -- that team was always going to re-sign Hertl and that was Will's directive.

Becher is a mouthpiece, he's sending the message he's told.

 

[Jargon]

The Athletic does a prospect podcast show every Friday. Today they discussed the trade and think Edstrom is a 2nd or 3rd line centre. They even said 3rd line two way centre as a worst case.

I've said this exact sentence a few days ago but combined with the cap space and another 1st that's huge value. With how PIT is playing there's a chance we're drafting twice in the top-10 next year and VGK pick around 20-32.

I know Bystedt kinda stagnated this year -- but frankly, so did Eklund in his final SHL year. If Edstrom and Bystedt can both keep growing and find their game -- say as the 1C and 2C on the Cuda next year (anyone know if Edstrom is coming over next year? I suspect Bystedt/Havelid are) -- and actually reach their 2Cish level, we're going to have a very nice problem on our hand of having too many great centers.

But we'll see. I still think a Bystedt/Edstrom/Zetterlund 3rd line will absolutely dominate. 3 beefy Swedes that can skate... sounds delightful.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think it's a little hard to know who is behind what. Will may have been following orders from DW -- @Sheng Peng possibly even mentioned that in the last podcast -- that team was always going to re-sign Hertl and that was Will's directive.

Becher is a mouthpiece, he's sending the message he's told.

I don't genuinely think that Will is behind the Hertl contract specifically in terms of the decision to sign the contract. If we take his bio on the Barracuda website at face value (granted that comes with some arguments), his primary responsibilities include contract research and negotiations, scouting operations, fiscal planning, salary cap analysis and hockey administration. He’s the lead coordinator and planner for the Sharks training camp scouting meetings and scouting conference calls each season. Will oversees all the hockey operations for the Sharks American Hockey League affiliate, including player evaluation, player contracts, and player recall and reassignments. One of his most important duties involves the tracking, analyzing and projecting of the team’s player payroll relative to the current and future National Hockey League salary cap to give the team the financial flexibility to ice a championship-caliber team each season. There's more there but he had and has always had a hand in contract negotiations. Those sorts of things that led to the cap constraints that Grier is doing a decent job of getting the team out of. The rest that he's being attributed with responsibility for are also things that are incredibly difficult to say in a definitive way that he is doing an adequate job. The scouting has been revamped pretty considerably under Grier. The hockey operations with the Barracuda is pretty questionable throughout his tenure.

I'm not sure what his contract situation is but if firing him is not on the table then I hope they let it expire and walk away there because I just don't see the benefit of having him hang around when it's hard to demonstrate a single positive thing that can be attributed to his management.

 

[sharski]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but The Hockey Guy did a deep dive into the Sharks situation a couple of days ago and I think it really helps a casual fan like myself understand exactly what the situation is and why Grier did what he did. As someone whose initial reaction was "Fire Grier", a week later and after watching that Video, I realize how harsh and dumb that comment was. This video actually helped me accept the Hertl trade and what to look forward to into the future. Also, it may not be as long as I feared (I was fearing like 6 more years of being bad) until the Sharks are at least competitive again.

27k+ posts in a hockey message boards site = "casual fan"

 

[SJSharksfan39]

27k+ posts in a hockey message boards site = "casual fan"

I don't know prospects, a lot of the behind the scenes stuff, and before today, the ins and outs of this rebuild, like a lot of people did here. Following the team and watching the games but not much else does strike me as a casual fan.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

27k+ posts in a hockey message boards site = "casual fan"

Yeah but 20k of those posts are "who?", the others are mostly snog's and "shoot"

 

[karltonian]

THG is a good all around analyst but he has never been the most informed about the Sharks.

Also it is FAR from certain that Grier would not have signed the Hertl deal.

 

[sharski]

Yeah i totally forgot about that "everyone's available except Hertl" comment from GMMG from back in the day until it came up on the sanjosehockeynow podcast episode about the trade

 

[The Nemesis]

27k+ posts in a hockey message boards site = "casual fan"

You don't earn your "more than a casual fan" trophy until 50k posts.

 

[SjMilhouse]

Hertl was Becher and Will guarantee. No shot Will had the power to do that without that snake Becher at the least giving the blessing if not outright pushing it