Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

[weastern bias]

People keep talking about cap space and the hertl trade. They are like 60 million from the cap floor in two years time. The cap space isn't valuable

It's incredibly valuable, so much so that teams will pay assets to act as a throughline in a trade retaining 25% of a cap hit on an expiring contract

The real value in it, though, is in the long term

Say 3 of our prospects hit it big in Smith, the 24 1st, and Eklund, they'll all be on big contracts by the 2027-28 season, if we still have Hertl's full cap hit at that time it threatens our ability to pay them all their worth AND continue to build a competent team around them

ELCs end quick, and the best teams right now are paying their good young players immediately upon expiry rather than bridging them, it's a risk but if they break out you get them at a massive discount long term in their prime, it's how you get 23 year old Cale Makar at $9M instead of 29 year old Erik Karlsson at $11.5M

 

[OrrNumber4]

It'll be very interesting to see how Grier handles those big contracts for the young players. Does he bridge them, does he choose to let them go, etc...

 

[Eggdoh]

Try living here and the whiny pricks still whine about the hand pass 5 years after they won the Cup.

There are teams I hate more than St. Louis, but there is no fanbase I hate more than St. Louis. Nothing worse than a sore winner.

 

[tiburon12]

Jones did not stink that playoff year. He was fantastic!!

Yes and no. He made some amazing, timely saves for sure. BUT, every game the Sharks lost that year, except maybe 1, he gave up a goal in the first ~5 mins (and always the first goal of the game), many of which were brutal.

There are teams I hate more than St. Louis, but there is no fanbase I hate more than St. Louis. Nothing worse than a sore winner.

It's extra funny because they have no self-awareness

 

[Cas]

If Jones had been semi-competent in 2019, maybe the Sharks win the division and the Cup.

He did absolutely have some marvelous games. He also had some real bad stinkers, and through the regular season he was awful, below NHL quality.

 

[Shark Finn]

The last memories I have of Jones are those early goals given up.

 

[hohosaregood]

i don't really remember 2019 very fondly and i attribute a lot of that to how bad Jones was.

 

[tiburon12]

i don't really remember 2019 very fondly and i attribute a lot of that to how bad Jones was.

there was a period of a few years where the team was good and jones was so bad, it felt like being the jock in school who keeps a cheating GF around because that's better than being embarrassed publicly lol

 

[mogambomoroo]

There are teams I hate more than St. Louis, but there is no fanbase I hate more than St. Louis. Nothing worse than a sore winner.

I would totally exchange St.Louis winning that game with or without a hand pass FOR a Stanley Cup win that year. That's just extra annoying on their behalf.

 

[Hangemhigh]

Notable Hertl mentions the size of Vegas players and how that impacts the playoffs.

 

[LadyStanley]

Notable Hertl mentions the size of Vegas players and how that impacts the playoffs.

Sharks used to have twin towers on D of Rags and Rathje. Burns had size too.

 

[Jargon]

Sharks used to have twin towers on D of Rags and Rathje. Burns had size too.

With Bystedt, Musty, Muhk and Edstrom, we got some huge dudes coming.

 

[STL Shark]

Jones did not stink that playoff year. He was fantastic!!

He was a .898 save percentage guy in 2018-19 playoffs. He was absolutely awful like he was for his final 3 years in SJ.

 

[STL Shark]

People keep talking about cap space and the hertl trade. They are like 60 million from the cap floor in two years time. The cap space isn't valuable

Wrong. We have 7.5% of cap space without Hertl in 2025-26 that would not be there with him. We have a literal blank canvas with no contracts on the books except for the million of retention starting in 4 years. Grier has basically no limiting factor in terms of assets and money to go out and build the organization precisely how he wants. That is immensely valuable compared to riding out age 33-36 seasons for Hertl at over $8M a year (almost 10% of the salary cap).

 

[STL Shark]

With Bystedt, Musty, Muhk and Edstrom, we got some huge dudes coming.

Need to keep adding to that, particularly when our centers (hopefully) project to pretty average-ish sized guys. Surround Macklin and Smith with some big and beefy fast skating forechecking power forwards to do the dirty work.

 

[TheBeard]

He was a .898 save percentage guy in 2018-19 playoffs. He was absolutely awful like he was for his final 3 years in SJ.

He was the reason we were able to have that miracle win against Vegas. That 58 save Double OT win in game 6 is perhaps the best game any sharks goalie has ever played.

 

[Saskatoon]

He was the reason we were able to have that miracle win against Vegas. That 58 save Double OT win in game 6 is perhaps the best game any sharks goalie has ever played.

He did play well in that game (and a few others) that I think stick in people's memory but he hardly carried the team overall.

I am curious how the Sharks do that year with a league average goalie instead of the worst starter in the league.

 

[Alaskanice]

He was the reason we were able to have that miracle win against Vegas. That 58 save Double OT win in game 6 is perhaps the best game any sharks goalie has ever played.

Yep, I could care less about save percentage. He helped us get to the Stanley Cup championships.

 

[TheBeard]

He did play well in that game (and a few others) that I think stick in people's memory but he hardly carried the team overall.

I am curious how the Sharks do that year with a league average goalie instead of the worst starter in the league.

A league average goalie wouldn't have gotten by Colorado. Dude had a .926 save percentage in that series.

 

[weastern bias]

Yep, I could care less about save percentage. He helped us get to the Stanley Cup championships.

Those are 2 different post season runs

Jones was incredible in 2016, he was a Conn Smythe candidate that year

Jones was Jekyll and Hyde in 2019, he was either unbeatable or unplayable but never in-between, he had 9 games under .900 sv% including a .571, a .714 and a .778 in the final elimination game

He also had 9 games above a .920 including the insane game 6 where he had 58 saves on 59 shots for a .983

On the aggregate his stats say he was bad, but it's more complicated than that, sometimes he was incredible, other times he was atrocious, it was truly bizarre

 

[TheBeard]

Those are 2 different post season runs

Jones was incredible in 2016, he was a Conn Smythe candidate that year

Jones was Jekyll and Hyde in 2019, he was either unbeatable or unplayable but never in-between, he had 9 games under .900 sv% including a .571, a .714 and a .778 in the final elimination game

He also had 9 games above a .920 including the insane game 6 where he had 58 saves on 59 shots for a .983

On the aggregate his stats say he was bad, but it's more complicated than that, sometimes he was incredible, other times he was atrocious, it was truly bizarre

The final elimination game, I don't put on him, or anyone for that matter. Team was completely beat up and demoralized.

 

[weastern bias]

The final elimination game, I don't put on him, or anyone for that matter. Team was completely beat up and demoralized.

I don't put it on him either, but he certainly wasn't a savior

 

[LilLeeroy]

Those are 2 different post season runs

Jones was incredible in 2016, he was a Conn Smythe candidate that year

Jones was Jekyll and Hyde in 2019, he was either unbeatable or unplayable but never in-between, he had 9 games under .900 sv% including a .571, a .714 and a .778 in the final elimination game

He also had 9 games above a .920 including the insane game 6 where he had 58 saves on 59 shots for a .983

On the aggregate his stats say he was bad, but it's more complicated than that, sometimes he was incredible, other times he was atrocious, it was truly bizarre

Even the absolute worst goalies in the NHL have good games. Jones was a disaster, and he was almost single handedly responsible for that 2019 team's downfall.

Him ruining Joe Thornton's hat trick game by letting in 6 goals on 20 shots is the summary of his seaon for me.

 

[weastern bias]

Even the absolute worst goalies in the NHL have good games. Jones was a disaster, and he was almost single handedly responsible for that 2019 team's downfall.

Him ruining Joe Thornton's hat trick game by letting in 6 goals in 20 shots is the summary of his seaon for me.

The worst goalies in the league don't approach double digit playoff games with a .920 in a single run, those aren't just "good games" they're team lifting performances

League average save percentage that year was .910, he was above .920 in 40% of his games, was above .930 in 20% of his games, and he had a .983 and .955 along the way

He just ALSO put up absolute game tanking performances, like I said, he was Jekyll and Hyde, brilliant or monstrous, nothing in-between

 

[LilLeeroy]

The worst goalies in the league don't approach double digit playoff games with a .920 in a single run, those aren't just "good games" they're team lifting performances

league average save percentage that year was .910, he was above .920 in 40% of his games, was above .930 in 20% of his games, and he had a .983 and .955 along the way

He just ALSO put up absolute game tanking performances, like I said, he was Jekyll and Hyde, brilliant or monstrous, nothing in-between

So you're saying the worst goalies in the league never get shutouts or never have a good stretch of games?