If he isn't signed by the end of May you may have trouble finding someone to take the other side of that bet.
Prospect Info: Tom Willander: 11th Overall 2023 Draft (Rogle BK J20) - Part 02
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If he’s traded because of schedule A bonuses, Allvin starts to fall into Benning-level incompetence.
Vancouver_2010
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Seriously, must everything I like or support end up losing or being disappointed?
Just sign him already, seriously, give him what he wants. This should be over by now
Just sign him already, seriously, give him what he wants. This should be over by now
Brookbank
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Nothing against Willander, but I don't see how he could hit any of these bonuses on this team. So what are they really arguing about ?
It finally seemed like we had a competent management group last season, Allvin was looking like a top tier GM.
This season I'd wager they're a bottom tier organization, wtf is this BS that they're playing hardball with their top defensive prospect who fans have been following since day 1? They do know Willander can just hold out and we loose his rights? It's basically impossible for us to get the same value for him in a trade... I can't believe they're playing hardball over bonuses which is standard for rookies to get... SMH. Umberger situation all over again. I hope he kid stands his ground, I've had it with this mickey mouse organization.
This season I'd wager they're a bottom tier organization, wtf is this BS that they're playing hardball with their top defensive prospect who fans have been following since day 1? They do know Willander can just hold out and we loose his rights? It's basically impossible for us to get the same value for him in a trade... I can't believe they're playing hardball over bonuses which is standard for rookies to get... SMH. Umberger situation all over again. I hope he kid stands his ground, I've had it with this mickey mouse organization.
ephmrl
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ol dogdick aquilini being a fat cheap prick, quelle surpreese
Can't trade him. Need him to step in for when Hughes leaves.
Goatlender
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He probably first tried to structure the bonuses on fresh blueberries.
It's not unthinkable that WIllander can hit one to three of those bonus categories. For example, Juolevi (covid season) almost got one for +/-. Had he kept pace among the Dmen who qualified he was ~5 games away. Odd things can happen when it comes to +/-. Like Sbisa led Canucks Dmen in +/- his first season here and if he was on an ELC with schedule A bonuses he would have been one game short of reaching the +/- bonus.
Simon Nemec got bonuses for time on ice and blocked shots last year.
Caron Soucy would have qualfied for the ice time and blocked shot bonuses if he was on an ELC. Of course he's a vet who is trusted on the PK which helps. Given our current depth on the right side, it's not unthinkable that Willander could end up playing significant minutes if there were injuries and get a bonus or two.
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I find it hard to understand why posters would side with management on this one, a group that really needs a few drama-free wins, over the media who is just reporting that the situation is strange in contrast to other analogous signings around the league.
They had a clear opportunity to announce this deal alongside a Tocchet extension—two easy wins that would have given them a positive boost heading into the offseason. Instead, they’re digging in over Schedule A bonuses and a coaching salary that doesn’t even count against the cap, all in the name of avoiding setting a precedent.
The only way I’d give them a pass is if we hear credible reporting that these stances are being driven by ownership, not management—which still seems like a real possibility.
They had a clear opportunity to announce this deal alongside a Tocchet extension—two easy wins that would have given them a positive boost heading into the offseason. Instead, they’re digging in over Schedule A bonuses and a coaching salary that doesn’t even count against the cap, all in the name of avoiding setting a precedent.
The only way I’d give them a pass is if we hear credible reporting that these stances are being driven by ownership, not management—which still seems like a real possibility.
Both contract would be done already but they’re balling over the grape picking clause
I’m now more and more convinced the most likely route management has chosen go in is to use TW to strengthen the top 6…
What we all know: Our ‘D’ has become the team strength and there is the obvious glaring hole(s) in the top 6.
I’m sure they don’t want to give him up, but they also think trading him hurts the team on the ice the least next season (and we all know next season is always pretty much the only thing that really matters around here).
I think Willander is going to be a really solid top 4 NHL d-man for a long time…
…but I wonder if they were expecting his offensive and/or breakout game to develop more when they drafted him hoping because of his late transition to playing d there was a lot more room for development in those aspects, and that they haven’t seen as much improvement as they’d hoped when he was picked.
I also wonder if that’s why they are playing hardball here:
they don’t want to set a precedent of caving in on their internal structure for the bonuses for a guy they see as likely to be traded away as that will effect future negotiations with our first round picks (assuming of course we ever make and sign a 1st round pick again)…
…also possibly why they aren’t too concerned with straining the relationship with him by playing hardball.
The hockey season is still 100% continuing for the organization. There should be some type of urgency to see him play pro hockey in a playoff environment in Abby…
…unless they already have a very good idea of what other GM’s think of Willander (and what his value is) and it just isn’t worth it for them to play him in case he underperforms or gets injured.
What we all know: Our ‘D’ has become the team strength and there is the obvious glaring hole(s) in the top 6.
I’m sure they don’t want to give him up, but they also think trading him hurts the team on the ice the least next season (and we all know next season is always pretty much the only thing that really matters around here).
I think Willander is going to be a really solid top 4 NHL d-man for a long time…
…but I wonder if they were expecting his offensive and/or breakout game to develop more when they drafted him hoping because of his late transition to playing d there was a lot more room for development in those aspects, and that they haven’t seen as much improvement as they’d hoped when he was picked.
I also wonder if that’s why they are playing hardball here:
they don’t want to set a precedent of caving in on their internal structure for the bonuses for a guy they see as likely to be traded away as that will effect future negotiations with our first round picks (assuming of course we ever make and sign a 1st round pick again)…
…also possibly why they aren’t too concerned with straining the relationship with him by playing hardball.
The hockey season is still 100% continuing for the organization. There should be some type of urgency to see him play pro hockey in a playoff environment in Abby…
…unless they already have a very good idea of what other GM’s think of Willander (and what his value is) and it just isn’t worth it for them to play him in case he underperforms or gets injured.
Breakers
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He cant
It’s 3 years
He can’t burn a year
He has a chance to get $270k minimum before he even gets a dime from a new team
I'll say it again. There is no pressure to sign Willander right now. If the player wants the A bonuses, he/agent will wait. The team is coming up on some big decisions at the draft and in free agency in order to acquire top 6 talent. I don't think they want to trade Willander but there is absolutely no down side to waiting to see how things play out.
It seems the only thing driving the angst here is the impatience of the fan base.
It seems the only thing driving the angst here is the impatience of the fan base.
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Goatlender
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It’s pretty common for prospects to play in the AHL at the end of their draft + 2 season. Lekkerimaki and D-Petey just did it.
rypper
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I bet nothing happens. He's not at risk to pull the ol Jimmy Vesey until 2 more seasons in college.
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Diversification
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Even if that were the case, he had what, 2 games left on the season? Why jeopardize the relationship over the infinitessimal chance of injury playing sheltered minutes, which of course he would devour because that's his bread and butter. If they are planning to deal him, and I don't disagree that it's crossed their minds, just sign him, burn a year off his elc and then trade him. After all, a signed college prospect is worth more than one with question marks about returning to college for a 3rd year.
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