Todd Richards Appreciation Thread

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Still have a few issues with Richards. I'm not thrilled that we're looking at a long term deal.

His handling of Wiz in game six was terrible.

He's a pretty good coach and the team has done pretty well with him, but I wouldn't go long term with this guy yet. Obviously it's not my choice.
 

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I'm happy for Richards, as well as Hinote and Hartsburg. Good for them.

That said, I've never really understood the point of long-term contracts for coaches. It's not like you are protecting an asset from leaving for free agency like for a player. When is the last time a coach didn't renew their contract and left a team for another as a free agent?

Personally, I think the evergreen contract style is the way to go. Set it up to automatically give a coach a 1-year extension each summer so the coach has a 1 year cushion beyond each season he coaches. That way, when the coach is fired (and coaches are always eventually fired), it is guaranteed that they get the remainder of the season plus one whole season as a 'severance package'.

This isn't an indictment on Richards as all - I want him as a coach. As coaches tend to live in the present, unlike GMs who have to think of the future, I just don't understand how a long-term contract adds any stability.

It would also make sense from the club's perspective to not bother paying a coach at all. But it would have the same result as doing nothing but evergreen contracts: no one except the very young or very unproven would seriously consider a contract offer that is built upon that type of instability.
 

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I'm happy for Richards, as well as Hinote and Hartsburg. Good for them.

That said, I've never really understood the point of long-term contracts for coaches. It's not like you are protecting an asset from leaving for free agency like for a player. When is the last time a coach didn't renew their contract and left a team for another as a free agent?

Personally, I think the evergreen contract style is the way to go. Set it up to automatically give a coach a 1-year extension each summer so the coach has a 1 year cushion beyond each season he coaches. That way, when the coach is fired (and coaches are always eventually fired), it is guaranteed that they get the remainder of the season plus one whole season as a 'severance package'.

This isn't an indictment on Richards as all - I want him as a coach. As coaches tend to live in the present, unlike GMs who have to think of the future, I just don't understand how a long-term contract adds any stability.

The long term deals are more about signaling to the players that they're stuck with the coaches (though how effective this is is questionable, given that coaches get frequently fired regardless of contract).

I think the evergreen contract style you propose is sensible. I'm not sure why we don't see that more often.
 

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Richard's has done a good job in his time here getting the team ready to play night after night. The players seem to like him and there is no quit in anyone, that may be from JD-JK.

Richard's line choices and or in game adjustments are sometimes questionable. This may be where Hartsburg come in. I think Acton was the x and o guy of that group and he is in Edmonton. Sam alluded to that the other day, but since his son is in the Edmonton organization, they may create space for him if he got fired as an assistant.

Someone said in another thread that Acton's spot wasn't filled. I'm wondering who Hinote is talking to up in the press box when he is on the bench during a game.
 

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Richards has a lot of terrific qualities, including perhaps most importantly, an amazing ability to get the players to play their guts out for him. That is a very unique gift. I still think that as a tactician, he is wanting. But apparently JD feels differently and he has quite a bit more authority than me.
 

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The long term deals are more about signaling to the players that they're stuck with the coaches (though how effective this is is questionable, given that coaches get frequently fired regardless of contract).

I think the evergreen contract style you propose is sensible. I'm not sure why we don't see that more often.

Because 1 year contracts don't convey confidence or commitment from the organization. While they are good in theory, in this era of professional sports, they rarely happen.
 

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It would also make sense from the club's perspective to not bother paying a coach at all. But it would have the same result as doing nothing but evergreen contracts: no one except the very young or very unproven would seriously consider a contract offer that is built upon that type of instability.

I was talking about the same style of evergreen contract that was given Hitchcock when he was here. Seeing as he was neither very young or very unproven, I will chalk up your response as ill-informed. Seeing as it the contract Howson gave Hitch (and the type of contract Howson had himself), I would think you of all people would be a proponent of them.

I don't see how it causes instability. Unlike 1-year extensions, the coach doesn't have to go through the process of negotiating each year and is guaranteed over a year in severance no matter when he is fired. Even if the CBJ give Richards a 4-year extension tomorrow, we all know that if the team goes through a massive slump next year like what happened at the end of Hitch's tenure, it's a good bet that he's fired. So, the evergreen contract also protects the club from having to swallow 3 years of salary in a worst-case scenario.
 

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I was talking about the same style of evergreen contract that was given Hitchcock when he was here. Seeing as he was neither very young or very unproven, I will chalk up your response as ill-informed. Seeing as it the contract Howson gave Hitch (and the type of contract Howson had himself), I would think you of all people would be a proponent of them.

Hitchcock was hired when MacLean was still around; Howson had nothing to do with it. And at that point, with Philadelphia looking to have collapsed completely in a short period of time, there were plenty of questions about whether Hitchcock would get another job at all, let alone when and where. Yes, he absolutely did have to re-prove himself.

Other GM candidates at the time of Howson's hiring were Bob Murray, who'd been a GM basically in name only 8 years prior (with Bob Pulford looking over his shoulder); Neil Smith, who hadn't been a GM in 10 years; I think Les Jackson, who'd never been a GM; and the two internal candidates of Jim Clark and Don Boyd, who'd also never been GMs. There weren't any guys who were universally regarded as rising stars like Jim Nill was. In addition, the reports were that Murray was going to be offered the job and then abruptly withdrew his name from consideration. Why?

Third, the idea that I simply blindly follow anyone or anything, or that I would blindly defend anyone or anything is absurd.

I don't see how it causes instability. Unlike 1-year extensions, the coach doesn't have to go through the process of negotiating each year and is guaranteed over a year in severance no matter when he is fired. Even if the CBJ give Richards a 4-year extension tomorrow, we all know that if the team goes through a massive slump next year like what happened at the end of Hitch's tenure, it's a good bet that he's fired. So, the evergreen contract also protects the club from having to swallow 3 years of salary in a worst-case scenario.

Yes, it protects the club in a big way by giving them more flexibility and limiting their lame-duck payouts. Most coaches would prefer the additional stability of a guaranteed multi-year contract, besides the fact that one-year extensions normally get tacked on before the contract is actually close to being up.

Most coaches aren't terribly concerned about the payday; they take on a job and want to see it through. An evergreen contract means that it only takes one extended slump to be out the door; a multi-year deals means that they're much more likely to be allowed to work through it.
 

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I'm happy for Richards, as well as Hinote and Hartsburg. Good for them.

That said, I've never really understood the point of long-term contracts for coaches. It's not like you are protecting an asset from leaving for free agency like for a player. When is the last time a coach didn't renew their contract and left a team for another as a free agent?

One that sticks out: Mike Babcock.
 

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One that sticks out: Mike Babcock.

Good call, forgot about that.

Anyways, I don't want to pursue this anymore because, like I said, I am genuinely happy for Richards and his staff. I don't think the term of Richards' contract will make any difference in terms of stability if the Jackets finish well out of the playoffs next year, but if the Jackets want to reward him with some guaranteed cash, good for him.
 

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Decent coach but let’s not go overboard here... he hasn't won a playoff series yet! Why all of the knee jerk reactions by CBJ MGT suggesting a long term contract now? If the CBJ miss the playoffs next season everyone will want to buy him out..


Stick to your plan JD, be patient.... wait on Richards.
 

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Decent coach but let’s not go overboard here... he hasn't won a playoff series yet! Why all of the knee jerk reactions by CBJ MGT suggesting a long term contract now? If the CBJ miss the playoffs next season everyone will want to buy him out..


Stick to your plan JD, be patient.... wait on Richards.

Top 5 record in the NHL combining this year and last year. I think he's fully proven himself.
 

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I like Todd Richards a lot. If they weren't going to choose me, Richards would be my next choice so good for him. But I'm curious what a "long term deal" means at the coaching level. I'd put long term for a player at at least 5 years, maybe more. Is that the same for a coaching staff? I wouldn't really want to see more than 4 years for any coach, regardless of past success.
 

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Top 5 record in the NHL combining this year and last year. I think he's fully proven himself.

I agree. The blurb in the playoff program says "since feb 26, 2013 the CBJ 62-37-12 record (.612) is 8th best in the NHL during that time".

Richards spent 4 years as an AHL assistant and then 2 years as an AHL head coach before becoming an NHL assistant for a year with San Jose. He then went to the Wild and was fired at the end of his 2 year deal there. Once again, he went back to being an assistant-this time with the CBJ-before getting another shot at a head coaching job.

So, he's succeeded and paid plenty of dues. He had the winningest season in the franchise's history, driven the development of many key players and came pretty close to winning a series against a team with 2 of the best 10 players in the world on it. Yet, many here don't think he's worthy of a 3 or 4 year deal:shakehead
 
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Decent coach but let’s not go overboard here... he hasn't won a playoff series yet! Why all of the knee jerk reactions by CBJ MGT suggesting a long term contract now? If the CBJ miss the playoffs next season everyone will want to buy him out..


Stick to your plan JD, be patient.... wait on Richards.

I agree, he didn't pull this team from the mat. This is a solid team with alot of talent, great goaltending, in the weakest division in the league, and we fell into a wild card.

"Decent coach" is about all I can say atm. Expectations for next season will be higher.
 

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Decent coach but let’s not go overboard here... he hasn't won a playoff series yet! Why all of the knee jerk reactions by CBJ MGT suggesting a long term contract now? If the CBJ miss the playoffs next season everyone will want to buy him out..


Stick to your plan JD, be patient.... wait on Richards.

Nobody's won a playoff series here...If you look at it long term, from the end of '11-'12 to now, it's fairly obvious.
 

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The more I think about it, if Richards can get himself a good roster decisions assistant, he could probably stick around and be effective much longer than I'd originally anticipated. His decision-making is still a little strange, but he does seem to keep the guys motivated.
 

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His decision-making is still a little strange, but he does seem to keep the guys motivated.

With this group, they seem to be pretty self-motivated. I'm not sure Richards has a difficult job there. The players seem to like him and they've bought in, so that is a plus.

I would have liked to have seen additional progress next season before committing to him longer term. But they'll have to deal with management if they end up firing him. Let's hope it doesn't get to that point.

Richards just feels like one of those first and second round playoff exit kind of guys.
 

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I like Todd Richards a lot. If they weren't going to choose me, Richards would be my next choice so good for him. But I'm curious what a "long term deal" means at the coaching level. I'd put long term for a player at at least 5 years, maybe more. Is that the same for a coaching staff? I wouldn't really want to see more than 4 years for any coach, regardless of past success.

I'd say 2 years, maybe 3 tops.

The only time a coach gets a 5 year deal is when they are highly sought out free agents with multiple suitors, like Vignault and Ruff last year, like Trotz this year.

Vancouver also gave Torts a 5 year deal...LOL.
 

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I'm going to insist upon ten years, because somebody has to be irrational around here and y'all're slacking off. :)
 

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