I thought the answer from Tocchet was supposed to come this week. Today is the day? They should have just fired Tocchet when Montgomery was available and Van would be in the playoffs right now and not thinking about trying to find another good coach when one was already available. Not too mention that with all the open spots and Tocchet only taking one of them and FA not wanting to pay top dollar for a coach, Canucks will be getting another second rate coach.
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I think the answer has been made but Rutherford being the sly dog he is has withheld the outcome so they might get a bit of a jump on other candidates for the job.
Allvin seems to like hiring one coach before the other is gone.
Rutherford said "they" would have an answer this week, not the would tell everyone right away.
I am sure if it was a positive then it would have been announced already.
Rutherford made it clear they don't want someone with their mind elsewhere, meaning to me, no doubt and a desire to be here. Waiting, while smart for Tocchet. may not mean the dedication Rutherford wants, it could mean Tocchet isn't 100% committed to stay.
I did notice that this time it is Rutherford doing the negotiations and contract, I guess Allvin shat the bed the last time because GMs almost always hire their own coach, this time it is Rutherford.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. The POHO and GM arrangement is always what one POHO wants to make of it. In our case, Rutherford has been the one to build out the management staff and never once has said that Allvin is the GM with full autonomy over hockey operations decisions. Alvin wasn’t even allowed to hire his own right hand person. More importantly, we’re talking about salary negotiations here. There’s no indication that Allvin doesn’t want Tocchet back.
They are on the same team but there might be some disconnect here or change of plans since Allvin did suggest the Canucks would exercise their team option.
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But the guardian noticed it.
He'e probably a bit more plugged in to what's going on in the league with all his Team Canada connections and the fact he played pro.
Today's rumor courtesy of the Hockey Writers website, is that Tocchet his seeking a longer term deal from the Canucks in the $5m range per season--double what he was making.
If he signs for that--he automatically becomes the highest-paid coach in Canuck history. Will Aquilini blink and sign ANY coach for that kind of money? My bet is 'no'.
But I guess there's always a first time for everything.
If he signs for that--he automatically becomes the highest-paid coach in Canuck history. Will Aquilini blink and sign ANY coach for that kind of money? My bet is 'no'.
But I guess there's always a first time for everything.
This makes me have even less interest in bringing him back if that’s what he’s asking.
I'm not aware of this but that's awesome. I'm not really sure that is relevant though given what we know. Like I said, we know that Rutherford hired our assistant managers before he hired Allvin. Allvin never got to hire his own AGM (although his choice might have been Clancey - still Clancey left and there was no replacement). Rutherford also hired Doerrie. I could say usually a GM is allowed to make one of these hires. So Rutherford being in charge of negotiating Tocchet's contract isn't unusual given the context in which the team has been run under Rutherford.
100% f*** covering up sexual assault. f*** prioritizing anything else over supporting Kyle Beach.
But this thread isn't about me and I've explained my position on Quenneville many times on this forum.
you don't think rutherford was involved in the skalde coverup in wilkes-barre? guerin claims rutherford was in the loop
No idea how much Rutherford knew or his involvement. We know exactly what Quenneville knew and we know his exact reaction, what he said, and his actions.
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According to Elliot Friedman, Tocchet is complaining about the lack of a dedicated practice facility for the Vancouver Canucks.
Not sure how to interpret this. He's either intends to come back and is trying to light a fire under the owner. Or he's leaving, and as one of few NHL teams without a practice facility, it was a major factor. Who really knows at this point?
But Mike Sullivan is more than a ready replacement--and I think the Canucks job might be a lot more attractive to him than either of the New York teams. Sullivan has been in Vancouver before as as assistant under John Tortorella in 2013. And of course he's worked under both Rutherford and Allvin with Pens for years.
And he was the interim head coach for six games in Vancouver, when Torts was sent down by the league for trying to get at Flames coach Bob Hartley in the tunnel. He was let go when Torts was fired at the end of the season. So he knows the city and the market.
Obviously sacking Sullivan was hardly the first coaching mistake by the Canucks. He'd have been a lot better option than Willie Desjardins.
Not sure how to interpret this. He's either intends to come back and is trying to light a fire under the owner. Or he's leaving, and as one of few NHL teams without a practice facility, it was a major factor. Who really knows at this point?
But Mike Sullivan is more than a ready replacement--and I think the Canucks job might be a lot more attractive to him than either of the New York teams. Sullivan has been in Vancouver before as as assistant under John Tortorella in 2013. And of course he's worked under both Rutherford and Allvin with Pens for years.
And he was the interim head coach for six games in Vancouver, when Torts was sent down by the league for trying to get at Flames coach Bob Hartley in the tunnel. He was let go when Torts was fired at the end of the season. So he knows the city and the market.
Obviously sacking Sullivan was hardly the first coaching mistake by the Canucks. He'd have been a lot better option than Willie Desjardins.
Just for our entertainment, if we hire Quenneville, will you stop following the team and post on here until Q leaves the team or forever? And also is it in any capacity or just if he is HC?
You're not speaking for me when you ask this question. If you must ask, speak for yourself.Just for our entertainment, if we hire Quenneville, will you stop following the team and post on here until Q leaves the team or forever? And also is it in any capacity or just if he is HC?
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Well I don't think Hughes did management any favors by his strong endorsement of the coach. Sounds like that also emboldened him to ask for a pretty hefty contract...........which you can't blame him for as this is a business but 5 x 5 is pretty hefty and if I'm the Nucks I take hard look at walking away if he's not going to come down off that and looking at other options.
I wonder if Malholtra would be a realistic option or are we still a season away from that being the case?
Also this practice rink facility is probably leaked by Tocchet or even management simply as a way to light a fire under Aqua mans ass.......I can't see that being a legit reason to walk away from the job.
I wonder if Malholtra would be a realistic option or are we still a season away from that being the case?
Also this practice rink facility is probably leaked by Tocchet or even management simply as a way to light a fire under Aqua mans ass.......I can't see that being a legit reason to walk away from the job.
Tocchet taking a shot at the owner, is probably an indication we're at 'the end of the line'.
According to IMac's article on Sportsnet, it was an issue Tocchet raised with management three years ago, and was assured a practice facility was at hand. Clearly the Aquilini's are dragging their feet and Tocchet has basically called them out.
The big problem without a practice facility is that players can't or won't stay in Vancouver and train in the off-season. So it's much harder for the coaching staff to figure out where they're at. As we saw with Pettersson last off-season' and Joshua the year before that, it can be a big problem.
I'd now be genuinely shocked if the owners offered a long term deal to Tocchet for $5m a season. So IMac and Quinn Hughes are destined to be disappointed in my opinion.
They could hire Sullivan, but he won't come cheap. Manny Malhotra, on the other hand, will as a rookie coach. If he succeeds in guiding the Abbotsford Canucks to a long Calder Cup run--then he's probably 'their guy'.
According to IMac's article on Sportsnet, it was an issue Tocchet raised with management three years ago, and was assured a practice facility was at hand. Clearly the Aquilini's are dragging their feet and Tocchet has basically called them out.
The big problem without a practice facility is that players can't or won't stay in Vancouver and train in the off-season. So it's much harder for the coaching staff to figure out where they're at. As we saw with Pettersson last off-season' and Joshua the year before that, it can be a big problem.
I'd now be genuinely shocked if the owners offered a long term deal to Tocchet for $5m a season. So IMac and Quinn Hughes are destined to be disappointed in my opinion.
They could hire Sullivan, but he won't come cheap. Manny Malhotra, on the other hand, will as a rookie coach. If he succeeds in guiding the Abbotsford Canucks to a long Calder Cup run--then he's probably 'their guy'.
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Personally, Rick is hired to coach, not complain about a practice facility. I don’t recall any coach or players ever complaining about having their own facility.
Also 5 million for a guy whois only won 1 round is kinda pricey. Mike
Babcock for example has Stanley cup rings, gold medals on his resume and he was 4 million. I’m ok with moving on to another coach.
Also 5 million for a guy whois only won 1 round is kinda pricey. Mike
Babcock for example has Stanley cup rings, gold medals on his resume and he was 4 million. I’m ok with moving on to another coach.
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He’s (rumored to be) saying not having a practice facility is impacting his ability to ensure guys are in shape coming into the season, and run good practices during the season, which is completely fair.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that the Canucks don’t have one - the reason you don’t hear other coaches complaining is because everyone else has one!
The Aqua’s have been in property development for a long time, the only thing that’s complicating this from going forward is them being absurdly cheap on the back end.
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That part I agree, we could use our own practice facility, but whatever he wants to accomplish with the team he can try with Roger’s arena or our training facility.
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